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goswami manmathrai
P.P.Goswami (Shri Vallabhkul)


34 Posts
Posted - 23 August 2007 :  15:24:50

प्रियजनों,

यह मेरा आप सभी को जाहिर स्पष्टिकरण है!!!!


गोपाल भाई कहते हैं..."Jo ek Mool Purush ko hi Gaali de"
मुझ पर एक बहोत गंदा आरोप लगाया गया है...कि मैंने मूल पुरुष को गाली दी,इत्यादि।

कोई यह सोच भी कैसे सकता है???...यह करना तो घोर पाप है,और मैं यह कभी नहीं कर सकता!

और मैंने यह गोकुलेश की सृष्टि को प्रवाही कहा...तो अपने मनसे नहीं कहा...यह तो श्रीगुसाँईजी के वाक्य हैं,(आप वार्ता साहित्य पढिये!)

वार्ता साहित्य में स्पष्ट उल्लेख मिलता है,

एक बार जब श्रीगुसाँईजी अपरस में स्नान कर सेवा में पधार रहे थे,तब आपसे एक सेवक ने आकर बधाई दी और श्रीगुसाँईजी  को बधाई के समाचार देते हुए कहा..."आपके यहाँ चतुर्थलालजी (श्रीगुोकुलनाथजी)को प्राकट्य भयो है!!!!"
तब श्रीगुसाँजी को चतुर्थलालजी के प्राकट्य की बहुत प्रसन्नता हुई,मगर पिन्द्रू लग जाने के कारण,सेवा में व्यवभान होने के कारण उन्हे (सेवा छूट जाने का)अत्यंत शोक भी हुआ...तब आपश्री ने स्वमुख से आज्ञा की..."बालक तो बहोत प्रतापी होंगे...मगर तिनकी सृष्टि प्रवाही होयगी!!!"

अब बताईये...क्या वार्ताओ के विषय में कोई बात भी नहीं कर सकता???...और अगर वार्ता में ऐसा वर्णन है,तो उसमें मेरी गलती है???

मुझ पर एक बहोत गंदा आरोप लगाया गया है...कि मैंने मूल पुरुष को गाली दी,कोई यह सोच भी कैसे सकता है???...यह करना तो घोर पाप है,और मैं यह कभी नहीं कर सकता!...मैंने मात्र वार्ता से प्राप्य प्रसंग श्रीहरिरायजी (बडौदा) के समक्ष रखा था...

यह मेरा आप सभी को जाहिर स्पष्टिकरण है!!!!



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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 23 August 2007 :  15:50:08

|| ShriGokulesho Jayati ||

   Spastikaran By Sevak Vaishnava of ShriGokulesh, who is a part of pravahi jeev, so called by ShriManmathraiji.

     Aisa Kehne ka Adhikar Keval ShriGusaiji Bavashri ko hi hai, Kisi anya ko nahin. Kyuki Hume yaa koi aur bhi ShriGurudwar ki Shrushti ho, Koi bhi is prakaar se Pravahi yaa anya koi shabd roop se kharab nahin hota.

   We Sevaks of ShriChaturthpeeth had Apurna Shradhha, and having Ananyata in our ShriGurucharan and own ShriGurudwar and ShriDadaji ShriGokuleshPrabhu, But What You consider as ShriGokuleshji's Shrushti? That is also to be understood. 

     Aur yadi aisa hi hota to aapshri ne Hume to Bahirmukh, Paapi, Ityadi words se bhi Navaja hai. TO kya yeh bhi ShriGusaiji Bavashri ne Hum ShriGokuleshprabhu ke sevako ke liyen kaha thha.

    Hume Garv hai ki Hum ShriGokulnathji ke Sevak Is ShriChaturthdwar ke Ananyabhaav se Bhaj rahe hai Aur Hum ShriGurucharan ShriChaturthpeethadhishwar ShriSuresh Bavashri evam Aapshri ke Aatmaj ShriVitthalraiji bavashri ke Saanidhya mein Surakshit hai. Hume kuch bhi nahin ho sakta, chahe koi hume Pravahi bhi kyu na kahe.



Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

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dadaji
Senior Member


240 Posts
Posted - 23 August 2007 :  17:11:49

Bawa Dandvat pranam kyuki Aaap Vallabh vansaj ho aur badenne sikhaya hai ki adar kabhi kisie par kam mat karo. abhi bhi aapko yehi words par kayam rehna hai to koi ab rok nahi sake. Aap kehte hai Dadaji (Shri GokuleshPrabhji)ko kuch nahi kaha to ek baat jaan lijiye, Hamare  Gokulesh bhaktapakshpati hai. Shri Gokulesh Prabhuji apne bhakto ko kya samjte hai pata hai…kaha hai tum sab mere angroop ho. To kya aap ye kehte hai Gokulesh jo nakhshikh bhaktoke angse bane[/b] hai wo…sorry par aisehi koi sthul prayog(yaniki pravahi honeki baat jo aapne likhi hai) ashobhniya hai. Gokuleshki shrishti mane kya? [/b]sirf abhi jo bhutal par hai wo nahi Shri Gokuleshji ke samaysu lekar abhi tak aur aage bhi including Shri Hariraiprabhuji(Shikshapatrawale) and78 bhagvadiyas[/b]. Shri Gokuleshki shrishtiko sthul arthme nahi lena chhahiye. Shri Gunsaiji Prabhujika kehneka tatparya uske baadke prasangokobhi dekhne chhahiye. Sewake samay birajte bhaye aur baadme jab Apne godme khilaye wa samay aur kai prasang hai ki unhone shishtiko sarahi hai ki ya Gokuleshki shrishtika koi mol nahi. Pahelebhi aapko kaha tha kisi ek do ya kitne logoka naam lo par puri shrishti ko saathme leke mat kaho. Firbhi Aap yahi baatpe adag hai to to Aap jano iske liye ab to Shri Gokulnathji hi kshama kare!

 

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Haripriya.

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goswami manmathrai
P.P.Goswami (Shri Vallabhkul)


34 Posts
Posted - 23 August 2007 :  19:34:49

मुझे यह न सिखाया जाय,कि श्रीगुसाँईजी ने किस तातपर्य से और किस संदर्भ में क्या कहा...तो बेहतर होगा...(क्योंकि मैं यह आपसे ज्यादा अच्छी तरह और भली-भांती जानता हूँ)...(आपके तो श्रीगोकुलेश मात्र दादाजी ही हैं..पर मेरे तो श्रीगोकुलेश प्रभु पड-दादाजी हैं!!!)

और न मुझे यह भी सिखाने की जरुरत है...कि श्रीगोकुलेश और उन्के जीवों की सामर्थ्य क्या है! (क्योंकि यह भी मैं श्रीमहाप्रभुजी की कृपा से,उन्का वन्शज होने के नाते मै समझता हूँ!)

मैं यहाँ मेरा स्पष्टीकरण भी इस लिये,दे भी रहा हूँ,क्यों के मैं मात्र इस वार्ता प्रसंग का उल्लेख किसी से कर रहा था...और मेरे शब्दों को पूर्ण रुपेण अन्यथा रुप देकर प्रस्तुत कीया गया...(एक ढंग से कहा जाय तो मैं एक लघु-साजिश का शिकार हुआ.!!!)

अब क्या किसी व्यक्ति से कोई मार्गीय चर्चा भी नहीं कर सकता?...सच कहूँ तो मुझे आप सब से अधिक दुख हुआ है,कि कैसे किसी ने मेरा नाम को ऐसी साजिश में लपेट कर यहाँ आप सब के साम्ने प्रस्तुत कर दीया...(सच में ही मुझे बडा आघात लगा!)...इस से तो भला होता अगर मुझ पर किसी ने डकैती या मर्डर का ही आरोप लगा दीया होता.!?!

फिर भी जो लोग मेरी बात समझेंगे,उन्हें मेरे साथ सानुभूति होगी...!!!...जो न समझें,और अगर उन्हें मैं दोषी लगता हूँ,तो मेरे पास उनके लिये और कुछ भी कहने लायक नहीं है!!!



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dadaji
Senior Member


240 Posts
Posted - 23 August 2007 :  20:17:06

फिर भी जो लोग मेरी बात समझेंगे,उन्हें मेरे साथ सानुभूति होगी...!!!...जो न समझें,और अगर उन्हें मैं दोषी लगता हूँ,तो मेरे पास उनके लिये और कुछ भी कहने लायक नहीं है!!!
Bawa dandvat pranam,
hum samaj gaye aapki baat aur hame sahanubhutibhi hai ab merito koi bahes nahi aapke saath.



Haripriya.

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dadaji
Senior Member


240 Posts
Posted - 23 August 2007 :  20:51:06
Jai Jai Shree Gokulesh,

Kal ke subh divas yaniki Pavitra ekadash aur parso Dwadashiki sabko bahut bahut Badhai!!!!!
Anandbhai aap mera ye membership delete kar dijiye mai sagaurav apane Dadajika utkarsh likhke yahase bida hona chhahti hu. aur ek baat spasht kar du ki yaha hum jo kuchbhi likhte hai wo hamara mat hai hamara bhaav hai na ki koine kaha aur likha hai.Praman hai wo Gurudwarse vachnamrutke roopme sunkar aur granthose padhkar likhte hai.

 Ko kahe eh avtarya jagadguru, adham jeev udhharva
      dharmdurandhar sakal dharmani praktya raksha karva.


Haripriya.

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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 24 August 2007 :  09:23:16

ShriGokulesho Jayati

    Admin team (anandbhai, jatinbhai, shreekantbhai), i also fully agree with Smitadidi  Please also delete my membership. Because if we r been treated in this sense, and still the same story is been repeated, then It is shreyasth for We sevak-Vaishnavs of ShriChaturthpeeth-ShriGokuleshji's Shrushti, to get Resigned from our membership from this Satsang forum. Ek Balak hai, Phir bhi Kisi ko kis prakar se updesh dena, Shayad Bhul ghaye hai. Nowonwards I won't give any particular tippani on this or on any topics.

   dhanyawaad aap sabhi ka jinhone mujeh jhela. ShriDadaji ShriGokulesh Prabhu ke ShriCharano mein Sadainya Dandwat Pranam.



Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

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vrajdulhe
Entry Level Member


29 Posts
Posted - 24 August 2007 :  11:03:02

શ્રી ગોકુલેશો જયતિ,
PLAIN SPEAKING IS ALWAYS UNPLEASENT.
સત્ય હમેંશા કડવું લાગે છે.
I am also agree with my dear Gopalbhai and Smitadidi plz delet my membership too afterall હું પણ ચતુર્થપીઠનો જ સેવક છું ....
જેને જે કરવું હોય તે વિના સંકોચે રાજી-ખુશીથી કરતા રહે - અમને તો જે કરવાનું છે તે તો સ્વમાર્ગીય સિદ્ધાંતોનો કેવળ ઉદઘોષ જ. કોઈને ટોકવાનો ન અમે અમારો અધિકાર માનીએ છીએ ; અને ન અમને ટોકવાનો અન્ય કોઈનો અધિકાર અમે સ્વીકારવા તૈયાર છીએ............

અમને અસત્ય સાબિત કરીને આપ સૌ પોતાની જાતને,
૧) શું શ્રી મહાપ્રભુજીની સન્મુખ સત્ય સાબિત કરી શકશો ?
૨) શું શ્રી ગોપીનાથજી અને શ્રી ગુસાંઈજી પ્રભુચરણ આગળ પોતાની સત્યતા પુરવાર કરી શકશો ?
૩) સપ્તઆચર્યો જે દરેક ઘરના મૂળપુરુષ છે,તેઓની સન્મુખ ખરા ઉતરી શકશો ?
૪) અરે ! પોતાના સેવ્ય શ્રી..પ્રભુની સન્મુખ  કેવી રીતે સત્યતા સાબિત કરી શકશો ?
......................................કદાચિત નહિં જ કરી શકો..................................................

આ પ્રશ્ર્ન દરેકે વિચારવા જેવા છે.......

અસ્તુ..............



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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004


1853 Posts
Posted - 24 August 2007 :  21:50:15

Sashtang dandvat pranam to Je je shree

Jai Shree Krishna to prya Vaishanv bandhu memebrs and visitors to this site at large.

For the very first fight time as the PRO of this site. I am taking a decision and I with folded hands with all my humbleness bow down to my  Gurudev, to Paramadayall Shree Gusainji, to Mahaprabhuji, to Maharani Shree Yamune, to Shree Govardhannathji and to My ishta dev, my very own Prabhu, and bhagwadiya vaishnavs. I sincerely hope that this decision will be supported by my other colleages at Pushtikul.com.

Hoping and consiously ensuring that my Vivek, dhairya and Aashrya are all udner their extremely active mode, I mention the following. My humble apologies to everybody and anybody if what I say is incorrect or if it hurts anyone.

I have gone through the various postings made in this site and my specific reference is from the posting made by P. B. Shree Umang Modi ji regarding a posting at Orkut. Having read everything in great detail, without commenting on anybadys posting, I request Shree Anand bhai to accept the resignation of  PB Smt. Smitaji, PB Shree Gopal bhai and PB Shree Umang Modi ji.

PB Smt. Smitaji, aapne apne vahcano mein, vani mein tatha vichar prakat karne mein jo Vivek dikhaya hai, uske liye hum aapko apne hurday se pranam karte hain. Yeh bahoot badhi seek hai jo hame aapse mili hain.

PB Shree Gopal bhai, aapke vichar aur gyan ke hum sada prerit hote rahein hai. Lekin aapka baar baar site ko chode ke jane ki baat hame hamesha duvidha janak sthithi mein daal dethi hain. Hum ab aapko aur rokna nahin chahenge, aage Jo president theek samjhe.

PB Shree Umangji, were was the need for you to make the orkut posting at Pushtikul.com. Is Pushtikul.com a place to discuss all that is contraversial ? If you were so interested in disucssing this issue with vaishnavs,  you could have discussed the same at orkut itself. To the best of my knowledge orkut allows you to express your views. I fail to understand the need for you to have posted this at Pushtikul.com.

I take this opportunity to bring to the kind attention of all the Vaishanv members of this site, that please, I beg of you, plead to you and humbly with folded hands, kneeling down, with my head bowed, please please please, do not use Puhstikul.com to post clippings from other sites, that are/maye be contraversial. Do not use the Pushtikul Satsang hall for anything accept  Bhagwad gun gaan,  Seva chintan, Samagri and Sajawat seekh,  discussion of Pushtimargiya sidhants and sahitya and announcements of Pushtimargiya events and activities.   

Here afterwords, no contradictory statements will be entertained at Pushtikul.com. And I clearly warn all the members to refrain from passing any kind of unsavoury remarks against any Vallabhkul Balak, what ever may be the reason. If at all one has such an issue, one should take it up individually and not in an open forum such as this.

Pushtikul.com, will not be party to such topics and will immediately remove such members .

Agar ghar mein khatpat hove to usko ghar ke andhar bait ke suljhane mein hi hamari vivekta hai, naki nukkad mein aake uski charcha karien. 

Finally, last but not the least, I humbly request Je je to give us permission to delete the postings starting from the orkut message including aapshrees vachnamruts. My humble apologies to aapshree if I have exceeded my limits in making such a request.

Dandvat pranam.

Shree Vallabhdheesh ki jai.



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admin
President - Pushtikul.com


422 Posts
Posted - 24 August 2007 :  23:45:58

Sadainya Sashtang Dandwat Pranam to Jeje

Jai Shri Krishna and Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh to all Vaishnavs!

My decision on this issue is as follows :-

Gopalbhai your resignation is accepted.

Smitaji your resignation is accpeted.

Umangji your resignation is accepted.

I would not like to say anything on this issue as Shreekantbhai has already conveyed the message very well.

It was great to have all three above members on Pushtikul. It was your decision to resign from the site. We gracefully accept your decision.

Jai Shri Krishna and Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh !



Shri Vallabhadhish ki Jai !!

Anand A. Majethia

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