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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 17 July 2007 :  18:59:33

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh

What is this Sudarshan Kavacham, and what is the Ethics in pushtimarg? Means how does we relate this granth in pushtimarg? Please Share the ideas on this granth. Many of the Sevak-Vaishnavas of our marg r doing paath of this granth. So how do we understand this granth to be a pushtimargiya??

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004


1853 Posts
Posted - 23 July 2007 :  14:59:06

Jai Shree Krishna

In this kavacham all that one does is ask ask and ask. protect me, destroy this and that, save me .... now were does pushtimarg preach such stuff?

Also one can see obvious contradiction between The Sudarshan kavach and Vivek dhairashray. So how two granths belonging to the same marg preach opposite things?



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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 23 July 2007 :  18:06:32

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh

     You r right Shreekantbhai. There is always a contradiction in the orders of ShriMahaprabhuji's Preachings from Shodash Granths viz Vivek-Dhairya-Ashray. ShriMahaprabhuji Forcefully gives orders that do keep Dinta, Tolerate your pains till it is bearable. And do not reciprocate.

   WHereas in Sudarshan Kavacham, The very first sloka indicates the Name of ShriVallabh and is been created by HIM, and is for the HITARTH of jeev. So can we deny the being of this Granth's Promotor is Not ShriMahaprabuji????

     NOTE:_ i do believe that This granth is not been written by ShriMahaprabhuji. Some one has made a big Mistake, and had willingly done such works to disrupt the Divine path of Shrimahaprabhuji's Pushti.  Many of the visitors of PUSHTIKUL website might also be doing the paath of this Kavach and also such related Kavachs, which r really not Pushtimargias. So Please participate to make this solved. As some Pushtimargiya Institutions r also the Promotors of This Kavach. So really it becomes necessity to learn the Truth by giving own view points. Do not just blindly follow something, which teaches the pushtimarg at different levels then orders of ShriMahaprabhuji.  



Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

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unnati
Senior Member


224 Posts
Posted - 24 July 2007 :  18:47:05

Jai jai shri gokulesh

Yes, agreed with both as even i have heard fom ardent vaishnav that it is not been written by Shri Mahaprabhuji but rather is been written by some Goswami balak naming Shri Vallabh... Hence this created a misunderstanding between Shri Mahaprabhuji Shri Vallabhacharyaji and Shri Vallabhacharyaji (other goswami balak having same name).

Please feel free to correct....



Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....

Unnati Kadakia

 

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friendmonu
Mover & Shaker Member


280 Posts
Posted - 25 July 2007 :  12:48:55
Jai Shree Krishna!!!!

Exactly don't know whether Sudarshan Kavach is in Pushtimarg or not... But think that it might have some link with Pushtimarg.... coz had seen many vaishnavs doing it's paath.... Moreover we do see this paath of Sudarshan kavach encrcling the Sudarshan Swaroop of Shri Goverdhannathji...

If whtz said in previous postings is true then how is this possible???


Jai Shree Krishna!!

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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 26 July 2007 :  19:57:21
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh

     Shri Mahaprabhuji had given orders in Vivek Dhariayashray granth that in the topic of Dhairya that do keep dheeraj (patience) and tolerate the pains which ever comes................. NOw if we understand that this so calld granth (sudarshan kavach) been written by ShriMahaprabhuji, in that at each places we will find that hey prabhu mere shatru ko mar dalo, aur meri raksha karon, mere shatruo ka nash karo, etc, and then naman to ShriKachap PRabhu (1 avtar of ShriPrabhu from 24 avtars). So what can be said for this........Unnati u had kept a valid point that some one named Vallabh might had written and had then in the kalantar been interpreted as the granth of ShriMahaprabhuji.

    ALso 1 good argument came that At Nathdwara above the Nij Mandir of Shrinathji bava, there is Dhwajaji and Sudarshan Chakra, so that protects shrithakurji, so we do the path. Also when i reversed replied that when shrimahaprabhuji had build temple for shrinathji bavashri at Jatipura, at that time there was no Sudarshan Chakra, but was Kalash and Dhwaja. So might be in kalantar the Kalash Became Chakra and Someone created Sudarshan Kavach.


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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004


1853 Posts
Posted - 27 July 2007 :  13:07:25

Jai Shree Krishna

Regarding the Sudarshan Chakra at present Biraajmman atop the Nij mandir of Shreejibawa, it is believed that this chakra remained with Shree Mahaprabhuji till his life time. And later during the construction of the Nathadwara temple it was placed atop the Nij mandir as a mark of Protection.  However there is no link between the Sudarshan chakra and the kavach as the kavach is not inscribed on the chakra.

Also the authenticity of Vivekdhairyashray being written by Shree Mahaprabhuji cannot be questioned, as we find that the style and usege of certain wrods etc. is very similar to all the other Shodash granthas, but the Sudarshan kavach is totally diiferent in its very approach, usage of words etc. Further the fact that it is doing Naman to Shree Kachchap prabhu to highlights the fact that it definetly is not authored by Shree Mahaprabhuji, the Founder of Pushitmarg.



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santosh
Entry Level Member


17 Posts
Posted - 31 July 2007 :  15:02:22

Jai Shree Krishna

Surdarshan kavach is in pustimarg or creationof Mahaprabuji ? Many Goswami Guru or our JAI  also recomnd people for doing it, if they are in great trouble, instead of going to other ways or path, this is been created.



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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 31 July 2007 :  17:13:04

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh

    This is a puzzling situation. But Santoshji, my personal opinion, "that What did shrimahaprabhuji said is true". I will request other senior members to spread some light in such situation of santoshbhai, and many many others who r facing such problems.



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goswami manmathrai
P.P.Goswami (Shri Vallabhkul)


34 Posts
Posted - 06 August 2007 :  21:19:35

"सुदर्शन कवच" निश्चित ही, हमारे श्रीमद्वल्लभाचार्य महाप्रभुजी द्वारा नहीं लिखा गया है!...उसका सबसे बडा प्रमाण ये है...

कि "माराय-माराय-माराय,छेदाय-छेदाय-छेदाय,उच्चाटाय-उच्चाटाय-उच्चाटाय"...जैसी वाणी हमारे परम् दयालु श्रीवल्लभाचार्यजी की नहीं हो सकती है!...

परम् भगवदीय वैष्णव,श्रीउन्नतिबेन को मै,ये सादर नम्र निवेदन करना चाहूँगा,कि वे थोडा सोच-विचार कर,यह वाक्य बोलें,कि ये "सुदर्शन कवच" किसी वल्लभकुल बालक नें बाद में लिखा है (और जिसपर भी "I THINK" जैसे शब्द खुद ही प्रयुक्त करके यह भी बता रहीं हैं,कि इस विषय पर भी आपको पूरण जानकारी नहीं है!)...

जिस प्रकार हमें यह दृढ विश्वास है,कि हमारे श्रीमहाप्रभुजी इतना भयानक कोई साहित्य नहीं लिख सकते है (क्योंकि वे तो मात्र कृपा ही करना जानता है,और कुछ भी नहीं) उसी प्रकार आप एक वाल्लभीय वैष्णव होने के नाते यह भी दृढ विश्वास धारण करें,कि वल्लभकुल के बालक भी श्रीवल्लभ के ही सिद्धांतों का पालन करते है,न कि कोई "अघोरी तांत्रिकों" के,अपितु आप इसे भी पत्थर की लकीर जानें,कि यह हमारे किसी आचार्य-वल्लभकुल बालक का लिखा हुआ कवच नहीं है!!!

आप सभी की जानकारी के लिये मैं यह भी बताना चाहूँगा...मेरी जानकारी के हिसाब से...कि सिर्फ दक्षिण भारत में ही कुल ७ "वल्लभ" नाम के भक्ति-आचार्य हो चुके हैं (जिनके सभी नाम तो मुझे याद नहीं होंगे...फिर भी...हरिवल्लभाचार्य,विष्णूवल्लभाचार्य,वल्लभवल्लभाचार्य,मोहनवल्लभाचार्य,इत्यादि)

हो सकता है,ये इन्हीं किसी वल्लभाचार्यजी का लिखा हो...किंतु इसका हमारे वल्लभाचार्य उनके कुल तथा उनके पुष्टि-भक्ति-मार्ग से कोई सम्बन्ध नहीं है,इसमें कोई संशय नहीं है!!!



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goswami manmathrai
P.P.Goswami (Shri Vallabhkul)


34 Posts
Posted - 06 August 2007 :  23:22:00

" i have heard fom ardent vaishnav that it is not been written by Shri Mahaprabhuji but rather is been written by some Goswami balak naming Shri Vallabh... Hence this created a misunderstanding between Shri Mahaprabhuji Shri Vallabhacharyaji and Shri Vallabhacharyaji (other goswami balak having same name)."..

I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT!!!...No HARD THINGS or anything like that..(especially Dear,UNNATI BEN).but I just oppose these kind of statements...because they (whom so ever says these kind of Stuff) have still got to read,learn & understand more about VALLABHKUL to know what exactly Shri VALLABH is...!

After all you have to understand GURUDWAR before you want to know the GURU himself!(I'm speaking this in a very academic level to make u all understand my view,otherwise there's no difference between GURU & GURUDWAR just like there's no Difference between VALLABH & VALLABHKUL!) 

Always Remember,I repeat once again..."THOSE WHO DON"T SEE GURUDWAR AS GURU,NEVER REACHES TO GURU (Shri MAHAPRABHUji)...



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