Shree Vallabh deesh ki Jai

Sashtang dandvat to Je Je.

Please accept my humble apologies, as it seems the very posting in itself has casued ati Shram to Aapshree.

I seek permission from Aapshree and hereby clarify myself.

Before I proceed, this  calrification is to only remove the confusion and not to contradict or present another point of view other than Shree Vallabhkuls vachnamrut.

The word Havelis seem to have caused the first confusion. Well, the word was used with respect to the present day use of the very word, were in it has lost its essential incorporation in to the Marga, were in during the initial times, it represented the Home of Shree Vallabhkul. However, today the word is used to represent places/venues other than Vallbhkul homes too.

Further the very query raised is to highlight the need for Gurha seva.

As gracefully mentioned by Aapshree....

so...HAVELIS exist from more than 475 yrs,and HAVELIs are our existance,HAVELIs are the institute by itself where Vaishnavs can learn how to perform gruha sewa in their houses!

yes,but I agree that if vaishnavs are coming to haveli and even after watching & learning everything...not performing gruha sewa (it doesnt matter if sewa is performed on a small or big scale),then their guilty concious should bite them!

Today it is common knowledge to all of us that Gruha seva is a fast deminishing phenomenon. And the purpose of this topic is only to highlight the fact that the the emergence of Havelis, in what ever form, is not to repalce Gruha seva, but only to become knowledge centres.

I take this opportunity to clairfy the fact that this topic and the postings made by me here in are not to oppose the coming up of Havelis, but more importantly to stree the fact that as a Vasihanv one should seek knowledge, guidance and learn the finer nuances of the seva form them, and not to deviate from Gruha seva. Havelis are notand cannot become replecement centres to Gruha seva.

Which the very reason that while in the first line I have said....Dagar Dagar pe Mandir bhaye, in the eight line I have also said...

Shree Vallabh Vallabh har disha,  Vallabhkul karenge hanro bachaav

I humbly request Je Je to accept my apologies once again and be graceful enough to offer further clarification and do marg darshan.

In the words Mahaprabhuji,....Jeevaha swabhaav to dushta, dosha bhaavaya sarvada.

Je Je, hum to Jeev matra hai, aur doosht bhi hai, bus aaphi ki krupa se hum sahi rah pe chal sakhat hai.

Humari yah namra vinanti hai, Aap sadhaiva humpar aisi krupa varsha avashya karte rahein.

Sashtang Dandvat pranam.

jai shri krishna

I would kindly like to know what do u al mean by "GRUH SEVA"? This word is very much in discussions these days?

dear hit bhia jsk

 you can call it  dinta or hints

form my point of view and as per courtesy to vallabh kul from vaishnavs and as per marga pranali

it has been costomery to appologize  for the shram to guru  when guruji  himself puts fourth the efforts

to educates moodh people  like my self  and i appologise to you as well if i have offended you in any way

please do forgive me sir as i had no such intensions

and please sir in future  do not hold your self back tell me more of your views

kind regs jiger shah jsk

Sadar dandvat pranam to Shribawashri aurJsk to pyare vaishnavjan,
Aap aise mat kahiye bhai. Hamara marg kabhi vallabhkulka anadar kar hi na sake, sab balak samarth hai aur alaukik hai. Bina gurudwar hum Prabhuke pas ja hi nahi sakte. Thakorji naraz ho jai to guruji manave. Aap jo apneko moodh kahte hai to yaad kariye- surdasjike padko.. sur hokarke kaheko dhidhiyatho…!! Hum vallabhiya hai, as per Shri Bawashri swakiya hai to ye to hamara shnehka nata hai. Ye to saubhagyamadki baat hai…!! Balak ho ke bhi kitni dinta hai.hamari vani, gyan kab tak, inhike charno tak.
hum kaun hai- bhrahmsambandhi vaishnav- kartavya Krishna sewa aur smaran, kirtan, manan- na nibh sake to tirthatan. Apano smaran pakksha bhi bahut prabal hai.
rahi baat ghruh sewa ke sikhveki to rukshmanibai aur kai vaishnav kahase sikhe?ajkal hum bate karte hai sahi Krishnasewa karvewale ko fursad kaha hai?

Pushti prakash prakat karveko prakate Shri Vallabh bhutal…Shri Mahaprabhujike anewale utsavki sabko badhai!!!!

Shree Vallabhadeesh ki Jai.

Sashtaang Dandvat pranam to Je Je.

Aapne ne krupa kari ke hamari kshama svikari, iske liye koti dhanyavaad.

Aapshri ke krupapoorna Vachnamrut ke liye hum sadaiv aake abhaari hai.

Sada Sarvada hamara marg darshan ise tarah krupa karike karate rahe.

Sashtaang dandvat pranam.

A thought,

Is it logical that just because there are so many havelis coming up, people are doing less 'Gruh-Seva'

Is that the reason ? So by that reasoning, if there is some village or town where there is no haveli, all ghars should have seva.

But is it not true that we generally find that the place with no haveli has a very small no. of  vaishnavs or has no vaishnavs at all, leave alone 'Gruh-Seva'

PG

Jai Shree Krishna

The intention is not have that sought of Logic and if such an impression has been created, then my humble apologies for the same.

Sadar Dandvat Pranaam Je Je,

Khoob Dhanyawaad for your guidance and vachnamruts.

Jai Shri Krishna,

Enjoying this very nice and well co-ordinated flow....

There are a few thoughts that arise and i feel that i should mention them here.... I apologise in advance for anything that may appear out of place.

Perhaps all this has been said before, and possibly in different ways, if this is the case, please excuse my ignorance.

The idea of Havelis as Institutions seems very appropriate. Especially, as "Life-Long-Learning-Academy".. where 'vaishnavs' can go to learn and continue to visit, and keep their Pushti Skills polished and keep receiving guidance from the presiding gurus there (ofcourse one could say that they need to have the motivation and enthusiasm and that this motivation and enthusiasim needs to be instilled in them and hence they need to be educated from early age - one could go further and say that this system should form part of the education system just as a generic "Religious Education", but this could be a subject matter for a different discussion.).

So, as a personal thought, i feel that the Havelis are an essential requirement for us as places to acquire 'Spiritual/Transcendental Knowledge' as well as being 'Homes' of our Gurus.

Perhaps, i am not using the right words but, simply speaking,  Vaishnavs could promote this view (rather than the view of going to a haveli to do seva as and when one feels like it and then forgetting about it when one returns home....) much more as a source of transcendental knowledge (which they  don't seem to be in this present day) just like the normal universities/colleges are being promoted as education establishments. When we go to universities/colleges, we aim to use the education we receive in our everyday lives.. and apply it in our field of work....

Surely, it should be possible to do the same with our Pushti and Seva knowledge since that is going to help us please our Pushti Purushottam Prabhu...

Please excuse if i have said anything out of place and kindly highlight to correct the same.

Best Wishes
jagdish

Dadvat Pranaam to Jeje,

thankyou very much for guidance and precious Vanchamruts. Also for taking Shram to answer so many queries.