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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 22 July 2005 : 11:07:21
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
Today is Asadhi 1st Vad Paksha (Shravan Krishna-Vraj months). Today starts the utsava of Hindola. My question is regards to this only. When ShriGusaiji introduced the utsav prakaar in pushtimarg., and till today in the prachin gurudwar's the 1st 15 days of hindolas, the Hindolas r simple without any sajavat.
But now a days the fashion of private havelis' has grown up where right from the 1st day the hinolas r been decored in chandi na hindola, kasumbi na hindola, etc. If we r following pushtimarg of shrimahaprabhuji-shrigusaiji, how much rituals we follow what these 2 mahanubhav Avtaars explained? If we r not following their aagyna then these haveli's r just carring personal activities, just to attract mass and what further to say........................... is understoodable.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
1853 Posts
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Posted - 22 July 2005 : 12:02:21
Jai Shree Krishna
Gopal bhai, your concern for the atitude of Havelis is a welcome thought. However, the sajavat of Hindolas has not restriction, and as per the individual havelis capabality doing various types of Hindolas is most welcome, as this only increases the Sukh of Shree Thakorji. However, if it is done as a commercial venture, were on Prabhus sukh is not the criteria, but it is being done more to attract visitors, then it is a very shamefull act.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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jatin
Pushtikul Ethics Director / P.E.M. June 2003
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Posted - 22 July 2005 : 12:55:58
You are absouletly right shreekantbhai and we are not at all authorise to comment the private haveli...whereever the new haveli is build is for the vaishnav only we cant say this as fashion of building up haveli like recently many of the place so many shopping mall came up for the buissness purpose ...but haveli is not for the buissness purpose it is for the vaishnav
correct me if am wrong
Shree Dwarikadhiski Jai
Shree Sri Lalji Pyare Ki Jai
Jatin Malkan
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
1221 Posts
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Posted - 22 July 2005 : 19:25:02
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
Nothing is fashion, if it is continued for a long time, which then becomes the tradition.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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snehal gandhi
Entry Level Member
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Posted - 22 July 2005 : 20:44:55
Jai Shree Krushna,
It is true that today many havelis are coming up. But, this never stops u from doing gruh seva. From morning till evening u can do seva of Shree Thakorji birajmann on u and evening u can go to haveli for darshan of Shree thakorji and Shree Vallabh.
Basically, we should understand what is bhav behind haveli. Haveli is with bhav of Nandalay and gruh seva is with bhav of Nikunj.Even after serving Shree Thakorji at Nikunj, Gopies were not able to take the virah of Shree Thakorji and use to run at Nandalay for Darshan of their Preetam.
I totally agree to the fact that we should not escape gruh seva, because after taking brahmasambandh we have dedicated ourselves to seva of Shree Thakorji. Pushti shrusti is for nij seva of Shree Thakorji. But, do every jeev has adhikaar of swaroop Seva?
Even during era of Shree Vallabh, aapshree didnt give swaroop seva to all vaishnavs but gave them naam seva or any other seva according to their adhikaar. What will u call kirtan seva of Asht sakhas? Gruh seva or Seva of Shree Govardhannathji haveli. What will u call seva did by Shree Jalotaji of Dahi?
snehal gandhi
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snehal gandhi
Entry Level Member
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Posted - 22 July 2005 : 20:52:38
Jai Shree Krushna,
Atleast by way of haveli vaishnavs will assemble at a place and will take some bhagwad naam. Otherwise today in Mumbai I see vaishnav deviating from basic principles of Pushtimarg and even after taking brahmasambandh shying away from wearing kanthi.
In no ways we should skip or escape from doing gruh seva but if even a group of vaishnavs open a haveli they are not doing anything wrong and not stopping u from doing gruh seva. A jeev not doing gruh seva will atleat understand something about pushtimarg through darshan atleat he will do naman to the swaroop and we all know that
NAMYA TE PRABHU NE GAMYA
I have seen people who were not having any bhav in pushtimarg but after coming to haveli they got bhav and are now doing gruh seva.
snehal gandhi
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 26 July 2005 : 12:33:16
Jai Shree Krishna
Snehal bhai, Very good views indeed.
However, let me clarify, that the topic is not against Havelis at all. The very purpose of this query is as Vaishnavs are we shying away from Gruh seva ?
Well regarding the Ashtasakhas, may I clarify that the Ashtsakhas too did gruha seva. A visit, eventoday to Shree Kumbhandasjis House at Jamnavata village near parasoli will prove this. Even today the sevya swaroop of Shree Girirajji is biraajmaan there.
Shree Ramdasji, the very first Vaishnav to do seva of Shree Govardhandharan too had his on evya swaroopa, and for many years did seva of Shree Mukundraiji.
We see historically, scripturally, siddhant wise, and in the pramans of Shree Acharyacharan, that Nijseva in the form of Swaroop seva or Naam seva alone have been advised and advocated. Then how can Vaishnavs establish havelis ?
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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anoopjp
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Posted - 26 July 2005 : 13:12:09
Dear Vaishnavs
Jai Shree Krishna
Pushtimarg starts from home and not havelis, first siddhant of pushtimarg is to do seva of thakorji in whatever way possible.
If one is not able to do seva for some reason then he can visit the haveli and have darshan of thakorji. At least the haveli provides a place for person to focus his religion and belief.
In Bahrain until few years back only one pushtimargiya Haveli existed but now all the sampradays have opened up their temples. But still this does not mean that people have stopped coming to the main haveli. Lots of people come from all types of margs and have darshan of thakorji.
Thus havelis are not a bad thing but us vaishnavs need to understand that priority should be given to doing the seva of our own thakorji at home rather than going to Havelis and doing seva.
Anoop
Anoop J. Purohit
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pushtidas
Mover & Shaker Member
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Posted - 26 July 2005 : 13:37:42
Jai Shree Krishna
I think as Pushtimargiya Vaishnav our first duty is towards Graha Seva. Havelis are really is the home of our Vallabh Parivaar.
In Shree Gusainji's era,although Aapshree was doing seva of Shree Nathji, He did seperate seva of Navnit Preeyaji's seva in Gokul. In Gokul Aapshree svayam (Himself) did seva of Navnit Preyaji, no bhitariya or Mukhiyaji. This was because Gokul was his Resident (Haveli) and he prefered to keep it that way, but after Shree Gusainji did lila then the swaroop was transfered to Shree Nathji and stayed there.
So history does show that Graha seva is our first duty, and Haveli is a bonus to gain the darshan of our Guruji's seviya swaroop.
I think this day and age, we are so much engrossed in our daily viyavrati that we are definately shying away from Graha Seva. Although various Vallabh Balak has relaxed the way we do Graha Seva, but this has not enticed many vaishnav to indulge in seva.
I agree with Anoopji, the Graha Seva is priority and should be the first item in our Pushti duty.
Do Graha Seva and whenever one gets chance then do visit Haveli. If we give priority to Haveli then the whole structure of Pushtimarg's first sidhant will collapse.
Dasa no das
Pushtidas
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 27 July 2005 : 12:28:35
Jai Shree Krishna
Very well said Anoopji, great saar Pushtidasji.
Yes, Pushtimarg starts from home and not havelis and If we give priority to Haveli then the whole structure of Pushtimarg's first sidhant will collapse.
This indeed is the most important fact that all of us Vaishnavs ought to realise.
CHETAST PRAVANAM SEVA
This should be the prerogative of all Vaishnavs.
Inspite of allowances made by the benovalent Vallabhkul, and various liberties offered, it is a sad scenario that we Vaishnavs instead of eagerly accepting Shree Thakorjis seva, have resorted to Devalay type of Haveli establishing syndrome, with overlays of education of the Marg, atleast one can do darshan etc. while the truth is that we are shying away from accepting the responcibality of NIJSEVA.
During the time of Shree Vallabh and Shree Gusainji and Saat Balaks, Mala and Kanthi were a must among all Vaishnavs, slowly as a part of adaptation to the socio-cultural changes, Tilak vanished from public palces, and remained within ones homes, now we see that hardly a few percentage adorn it at all, leave alone in public, even with in their own homes.
Nijseva which is/was a Blessing and an adored fact, has in todays secenario become a stumbling block, were in Alliances of Bridegroom are rejected because one has seva in their home. And many of us justify themselves by saying that we offer whatever seva possible at Haveli.
But is this our Siddhant ?
Is this wimsikal seva syndrome the preaching of Acharyacharan ?
Have we forgtton that in reply to Chaitanyas observation that a jeev will attain realisation of Bhagwan even if he were to utter his name onlu for a few tiems in his life time, Shree Vallabh had said that if jeev stops doing smaran of Shree Thakorji even for a fraction of a second, then the Kalikaal can adversly effect him.
The foremsot kartavya of us Vaishnavs is Seva, as naam smaran and swaroop seva, this one ought to do to realise and effectively follow Pushitmarg. These two are the two oars of the Pushtiroopi naav (boat). Is it possible to simply sit in the boat and expect to reach the other side of the river without these two oars ? That is a decision we have to take ?
My apologies if any of the observations have hurt Vaishnavs in anyway.
Edited by - shreekant22 on July 27 2005 12:35:13
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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