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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 13 April 2005 : 10:21:52
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh
In further context, we know that the word samarpan-nivedan, which means anything which we utilise for us, first be offered to shrithakurji, means sarva samarpan. Now there is a question that where this sarva samarpan bhaav will be fulfilled??
> At home doing gruh-seva
> At haveli visiting ocassionally
> At shrigurudwar
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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nina@pushtikul.com
Entry Level Member
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Posted - 13 April 2005 : 12:15:38
jai shri krishna,
i am very new to pustimarg but one thing i know that pushtimarg is samarpan marg means when we get related to thakorji (Bramhasambandh)we are samarping ourselves to thakorji.
shri mahaprabhuji shows us the path of gruha seva so that we can serve our thakorji the best,as thakorji is bhokta of uttam vastu.i think we can develop dradh samarpan bhaav by doing gruh seva.
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natkhat
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Posted - 13 April 2005 : 22:43:02
We have to realise that not all can do Swarup Seva. As seen various vartas. So what is a person such as this to do? Sharavan, Kirtan.
Is going to Havali not a way of doing Thakurjis Darshan?
Shree Vallabh has pointed that promote the seed of bhakti depends on individual circumstances. Namely, are you employed or not employed.
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manish1
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Posted - 14 April 2005 : 10:59:09
Jai Shri Krishna,
As said by Gopal Bhai, that in Pushtimarg we have swaroop seva and naam seva. so for those whose current circumstances does not permit swaroop seva doing naam seva in the form of
Jap, smaran, satsang, reading books will be helpful.
But having said that they should not shy/run away from swaroop seva. if situation changes and swaroop seva is possible then one should start doing the same.
but at any time what is best can be confirmed with ones Gurudev or Vallabhkul balaks.
Manish Ashar
Manish
Jai Shree Krishna
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
1853 Posts
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Posted - 14 April 2005 : 11:53:11
Jai Shree Krishna
May I humbly add, that as rightly mentioned, Swaroop seva is not for every one, and this is seen very celarly in amny varthas, were Shree Vallabh himself has refused the same many a times.
Before seeking agyaan for Swaroop seva, one should take all the possibalities under consideration and only then take such step.
For Example, most of us are tuned to different lifestyles. One common feature is to travel with family to holidays, in such a situation, many Vaishnavs, either padhraav the seva at another Vaishanvs place or Shree Thakorji too is taken along with them in Jhaapi ji. Now in both these cases, there is diffinete shram given to Shree Thakorji, where for the sake of our convenience we padhraav Shree Thakorji or give shram of travel to prabhu.
So SEVA is a continuous process, were at all moments Shree Thakorjis Sukh should be given precedence and not ours. Hence to padhraav seva at our home should be done only if one is 100% sure of ensuring that once Prabhu is biraajmaan, we will always think of only his sukh and not ours.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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anpur
Pushtikul Elite Member - July 2003
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Posted - 14 April 2005 : 13:05:11
Jai shri krishna
Travelling with prabhu is not giving sharam to thakorji. as we go for holiday and padhrave thakorji to other vaishnav is sure we are giving shram to thakorji. or we don't travel.
this is my thinking.
As gopalbhai said naam seva. if vaishnav do naam seva what about samarpit? samarpit to whom?
Reeta Patel
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 14 April 2005 : 13:35:13
Jai Shree Krishna
Well, Anpurji, I beg to differ on this issue.
However, let me clarify, If one is travelling to Vraj, etc, on pilgrimage, then your point is taken, but other wise it is diffenitly Shram. As Prabhu is definetly not very comfortable in the Jhapiji. And also after all such travels Shram bhog is offered, so there is shram hence shram bhog.
My apologies if this hurts anyone. This is my personal opinion, and please do not take it other wise.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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Vasant Punjabi
Vice-President & Pushtikul Elite Member - May 2003
1047 Posts
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Posted - 14 April 2005 : 20:31:24
Jai Shri Krishna,
As per the response from few Goswamis this is what they said.
" One cannot leave Shri Thakurji at home but must take Him where ever you travel the way we take our small kids and not leave them behind".
Following also form Goswami balak.
Secondly as per the strict conduct of pushtimarg if one does not do seva for three or more continious days as they have gone for pleasure trips etc then one must not only get their Shri Thakuji pusht again but also do panchnamrut snan of the swaroop.
Vasant
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natkhat
Entry Level Member
12 Posts
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Posted - 15 April 2005 : 00:51:20
The question that we are trying to answer is if we have Swarup Seva. Then should we go to Havali? (This is my interpretation maybe I have simplified it too much).
I think that we should because by doing so we are sanmukh to Vallakul. We can learn about Seva from the elaborate Seva performed in the Havali. Do you agree?
As in my earlier post I am stating what is apparent that everyone is not able to do swarup seva. They should do smaran and kirtan (Nam seva). For those who do nam seva they can and should go to Havali to do Thakurjis darshan.
Do all those who do Swarup seva. Do they offer everything to Thakurji and then partake it? How many people offer sakadi bhog? How many people only offer misri, suko meva and fruits? Yet at the same time enjoying a full meal themselves!
If you cannot do Swarup seva then the following are the alternatives :
Offer bhog to Shree Mad Bhagwat (Namatmak swarup of Shree Nathji)
Offer bhog to Gadiya Mantra (as illustrated in Vartas)
Following on these paths ensures that you will follow the principle of samarpan.
With regards to the question of taking Thakurji on hoildays, etc. We can see Shree Vallabh (not that we should try to imitate Him) carried with Himself Shree Navitpriyaji in a sampoot (pouch) held around his neck on all His yatras. So we should take in Thakurji when we go on holiday. I agree that being in a jhapi is not the same as a proper shaiya. Perhaps our Thakurji also wants to go with us on Holiday!
When we travel we always carry Thakurji with us. Travelling in the western world we have to hire a flat/apartment and prepare bhog for Thakurji. This provides an unusual anand I believe.
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jayvinbhatt
Mover & Shaker Member
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Posted - 15 April 2005 : 03:33:51
jai shree krishna
as far as i know taking thakorji with you and having him with you is more important.....thats what many vallabh kul says.....that dotn leave your thakorji to anyones place rather taken them....because in that way atleast he is with you even if u just offer misri or suko mevo or other samagari.
and in terms of giving shram to thakorji in japiji.......from my point i dont think it is shram......japiji is made specially to make thakorji nice and comfy when travelling.....and thakorji himself woudl be more then happy to go with you rather then padrawai to some other vaishnavs house.........at least in that way u are with your thakorji.
and i have seen that whenever u take thakorji to any country not only vraj.....thakorji ni krupa thi badhu fine work out thai jai.....this is personal experience......to make himself comfortable he even makes his new environment go along with him.
and as said by shreekant bhai about swaroop seva...its not for everyone he is right.....but if one can perform it....do swaroop seva with the aagna of shree vallabh. because that is ur kartyavya after taking brahmsabhand diksha.
That is the time when a person can only do thakorji seva.
please correct me if i am wrong.....
Vasant bhai can u please explain this point i am a bit lost with it
Secondly as per the strict conduct of pushtimarg if one does not do seva for three or more continious days as they have gone for pleasure trips etc then one must not only get their Shri Thakuji pusht again but also do panchnamrut snan of the swaroop.
thank you
Jay Bhatt
(JAI SHREE KRISHNA)
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