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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 09 April 2005 : 11:08:15
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
Pushtimarg is keenly dependent on the seva, and not pooja. Seva r of 2 types. Naam seva and swaroop seva. And for swaroop seva, shrimahaprabhuji had clearly said
"Gruhesthite Utkarstam Na Bhagwadiyatvamatren Kintu BhagwataSaha Sthitya Bhagwatkaryatham va : Anyatha na Sthavyam Iti Stithi
Bijdhadhyarprakarastu Gruhe Sthitva Swadharmaat ||
Avyavrutto Bhatkrishnam Pujaya Shravanadibhihi
These quotes had said that we had to stay at house and do gruh seva. So what short of gruh seva???? Swaroop been pushted by shrigurucharan and given us for serving. Moreover if we remember the vaarta prasangs then whenever shrimahaprabhuji pushted any of the swaroop for a vaishnavas then he or she had been ordered "main toko mero sarvasva de rahiyo hu, yaako sahi roop su bhajiyo"
Why aapshri mean to say this? Shrithakurji is the sarvasva of shrimahaprabhuji-vallabhkuls also. and had to be served at home.
I will take a laukik prasang, there was a person who had his lovely small boy. And he used to carry out his routines. But in the next door to this person stays another family and also had a small boy. So this person now takes less care of his child and creates the so called affection for the neighbour's child. Is this proper?????
Shrimahaprabhuji also said the follow quote
"Krushna Seva Sada Karya Mansi Sa Para Mata (1)
Chetastatpravanam Seva Tatsiddhyai Tanuvittaja "
Will it be possible ...........
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 09 April 2005 : 11:28:15
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
Purushottam is always the same in pushtimarg, whether it is the sevya swaroop of a individual vaishnava, or the nidhi swaroop of shrigurucharan or swaroops at haveli's. So in pushtimarg the prakaar of swaroop aavirbhaav is the same for all swaroops.
If all the swaroops purushottamtatva is same then why we feel that today we enjoyed the darshana at this haveli or at this place etc. The same darshan can be got at own house.
Shri Vallabhacharya gives the definition of devotion in His work Shastrartha-Nibandha as under:
Mahatmyajnana-purvastu, sudrdhah sarvatodhikah;
sneho bhaktiriti proktah, taya muktirna canyatha.
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Meaning: When one has developed deep-rooted and utmost love for Bhagavan, preceded by the knowledge of the greatness of the lord, it is called Devotion to Bhagavan. One can obtain salvation only by this devotion and in no other way.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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Devanshu
Pushtikul Elite Member - November 2003
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Posted - 11 April 2005 : 07:29:06
Jai Shree Krishna,
I think all the sevya swaroop of Shree Thakorji are equally powerful, wherever Shree Thakorji is there naturally all His potency is along with Him at all the times. It is the vaishnav love, which gets more attracted on particular form of Shree Krishna and shows more affection for swaroop, which they serve at home.
Seva and satsang are the most important for all vaishnav, it is just like a two wings of a bird. In Haveli, many vaishnav do satsang by reading 84/252-vaishnav varta, singing kirtans & discussing the meaning of each word of the pad, also there is discussion about different leelas of Shree Krishna, etc.
Also, vaishnav while doing darsan in Haveli, they see the different sringar of Shree Thakorji, how different things are placed around Thakorji, etc. Seeing all this it gives the great pleasure in the heart of vaishnav because they feel now they will be able to serve their own Thakorji at home in much better way.
So, Haveli is very helpful in having satsang and getting more knowledge about doing the seva of their own Thakorji.
With these great advantages, why one should not visit to Haveli?
Jai Shree Krishna
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Vasant Punjabi
Vice-President & Pushtikul Elite Member - May 2003
1047 Posts
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Posted - 11 April 2005 : 07:48:50
Jai Shri Krishna,
Gopalbhai hava a question suppose a vaishnav comes to you and says he desires to do a manorath say either Ankut or Kunwaro or celeberate Jalebi Utsav etc and his house can accomodate maybe only 50 vaishnavs but he wishes to invite atleast 500 or more.
What should he do? How should he arrange?
Vasant
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bindi
Pushtikul Elite Member - February 2004
225 Posts
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Posted - 12 April 2005 : 00:31:22
Jayshrikrishna,
Thank you Gopalbhai for explnation. You have brought a very good point.
Vasantbhai, the vaishnava that you have mention is doing manorath for Shri Thakorji & for HIS sukh. or is the manorth for vaishnavas to come over?
bindi
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bindi
Pushtikul Elite Member - February 2004
225 Posts
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Posted - 12 April 2005 : 00:31:27
Jayshrikrishna,
Thank you Gopalbhai for explnation. You have brought a very good point.
Vasantbhai, the vaishnava that you have mention is doing manorath for Shri Thakorji & for HIS sukh. or is the manorth for vaishnavas to come over?
bindi
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Vasant Punjabi
Vice-President & Pushtikul Elite Member - May 2003
1047 Posts
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Posted - 12 April 2005 : 08:47:01
Jai Shri KRishna,
Bindibhen you are right Gopalbhai's explanation was good.
Also the question you have asked in that "Yes the vaishnav who wants to do the manorath is really seeking for Shri Thakurji's and Vaishnavs sukh combine "
He also knows that if vaishnavs are pleased then Shri Thakurji is also pleased.
Vasant
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 12 April 2005 : 11:37:47
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
quote:
suppose a vaishnav comes to you and says he desires to do a manorath say either Ankut or Kunwaro or celeberate Jalebi Utsav etc and his house can accomodate maybe only 50 vaishnavs but he wishes to invite atleast 500 or more.
What should he do? How should he arrange?
First of all it is necessary to understand that for what purpose a vaishnava wanted to do manorath? is it for tat-sukh(sukh of shrithakurji) of mama-sukh (for self sukh)? Vaishnava ne prasaad levadaavo a to param sukh che. But we should keep in mind the quote of ShriHariraiji "Allow the darshan of our shrithakurji those who r bhakts and snehi". This criteria both should be carried together. So accomodating 50 vaishnavas will also accomodate 500 vaishnavas, but that manorath should be for tat-sukh.
Edited by - gopal on April 12 2005 11:38:56
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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Vasant Punjabi
Vice-President & Pushtikul Elite Member - May 2003
1047 Posts
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Posted - 13 April 2005 : 02:57:30
Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,
In your answer it may be true that if more vaishnavs arrive the prasad never falls short if desires are true and alaukik but here what about accomodation as some people have small houses but big hearts?
Vasant
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
1221 Posts
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Posted - 13 April 2005 : 10:18:02
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
ShriGurucharan-ShriThakurji will always find the route for the nisthavaan vaishnava and will help him/her.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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