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Posted - 18 September 2004 : 01:25:41
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Anandbhai, Seva aagynaed by ShriMahaprabhuji is the Tanuvittaja Seva, which means by our own tan and by our own dhan. Tan + Vitt.
Means by our own tan and dhan, we should do seva. GruhSeva is Tanuvittaja Seva. So it doesn't becomes Daivi Dravya. So in haveli's may be any, we do seva over there as tanuja or vittaja.
Jai Shri Krishna Gopalbhai,
I would like to draw your attention to the fact that in Haveli also, you do Seva in Tanu-Vittaja. For eg. You bring logs of woods kept outside which are used by the Haveli on your shoulders. This is Tanu Seva. Then you also offer raw milk in the window for milk, this is Vittaja Seva. Eventually, you brought in logs which were used to prepare Samagri of Dudhghara (prepared by milk offred by you). So here, you are doing Tanuvittaja Seva.
In the similar manner, after you do aprash in Nathdwara mandir, you are allowed to cut the vegetables & fruits offered to Thakorji. Even here, you may have purchased (Vittaja Seva) the Vegetables & Fruits available outside as Samagri to Haveli & again you by yourself are cutting it into pieces for Thakorji (Tanu Seva) & eventually doing Tanu Vittaja Seva. So how can you say that you are not doing Tannu Vittaja Seva ???
And if according to you, only after doing Tannu vittaja seva, you can have the prasad, then here you are doing Tanu-Vittaja Seva without any doubt & you can surely take Prasad of Haveli !!!
Shri Vallabhadhish ki Jai !!
Anand A. Majethia
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 18 September 2004 : 10:31:42
jai jai shrigokulesh,
One thing i would like to quote that at our house shrithakurji accepts our own offerings, means what we offer with our tan and dhan. But for haveli's, we do not have any satta to that thakurji in the haveli's as it is the krupa-anugrah of vallabhkul that they r alowing us to have darshana of their thakurji. So we cannot directly offer anything in the name of that shrithakurji, as it becomes devdravya. If That Vallabhkulbalak offers us is aapshri's krupa-anugrah.
do add coments, so that this question can be clarified easily. other vaishnavas also pls to add coments.
Edited by - gopal on September 18 2004 10:34:51
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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Posted - 19 September 2004 : 02:35:41
Jai Shri Krishna,
Thakorji's swaroop in Haveli is Universal. I am saying this confidently because since many centuries Thakorji is staying in there and giving Darshan to everyone. Hadn't it been so, then Thakorji would have simply not given Darshan to anyone and would have even vanished in air. Infact Thakorji would have given prerna to Vallabhkul Balaks to not allow anyone Darshan. But it's not the case because Thakorji's Swarup in Havelis is for giving blessings to anyone coming at His doorsteps.
It's only the terribly unlucky ones who do not get the Alaukik Labh of His Darshan and Prasad and make their own meanings regarding the principles of Shri Mahaprabhuji for their petty interests.
Shri Vallabhadhish ki Jai !!
Anand A. Majethia
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shreekant22
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Posted - 21 September 2004 : 12:06:37
Jai Shree Krishna
Well as per my understanding, Yes Gruhseva is to be Tanuvittaja seva. Let us also understand the reason behind such a restriction put in by Shree Mahaprabhuji, before getting emboiled into Tanu + Vittajia. On reading many of the varthas, there is a clear understanding of this. The reason being that in doing seva, one should not start seeking help of others especially with respect to dravya or any other material. For then the sevabhav is lost, and this could very well lead to greed and misdeeds too. Also this would also lead to Gruhseva becoming into mini institutions, where in someone is doing seva, and someone is providing the material means of doing the seva, what in todays term we mean as commercialisation.
Then the Bhav would be lost, and seva would become more a ritual and lose its Grace, which is the very essence of Pushti.
Regarding prasad... when we offer bhet in a havelli, first we offer in front of Shree Thakurji, this to the best my understanding becomes devdravya and is only used even in havelis for Shree Thakorjis use only. The second being offered to gobalak, while doing charan sparsh, this become dravya of shree Gobalak, and lastly we offer dravya,dhaan,vastra,meva,fal etc. in havelis, this we present to Gobalak, with our request to him that it may used for shree thakorjis seva (The Gobalak has every right to reject an offering, for what ever reason if he feels so).
Now of prasad. In our havelis, unlike maryadamarg temples prasad is not offered for the money given. Prasad of thakorji is offered to us by the gobalak, out of his pleasure, and not in lieu of the money given by us. It is the fault of us vaishanvs that we look at is as being given against the dravya that we have given to them. It us who while going to Shreeji bawas temple, read at the board and decide, for so much we get so much. When we take such a stand, and also think that by paying so much, we are getting so much then the fault is in us and not in the system.
I do hope my opinions are understood and taken in the right spirit.
There are times when in havelis we make offerings to the Mukhiaji or bhitaryaji just a goodwill geture, and they give us Paan or Mishri, what do we do refuse it, or take it and leave ti somewhere, saying it is devdravya ? Then are we not becoming a bahirmukha by showing our peet to Shree Thakorjis Prasad ? Is it Ok.
Somewhere down the line arent we forgetting that Pushti is the path of grace, A marg so graceful that Shree Thakorji has accepted seva from woman during there period cycle too, a marag so graceful that its Guru allowed Vaishnav to have darshan of Shree Thakorji during suthak too...all this ofcourse with Shree Thakorjis acceptance and krupa. This Kalyug, Ghor kalyug, and in such an ambience, Thakorji doesnot show his benevlonce as pratyaksh swaroop,but only through fleeting moments, where we see that we are about to be hit by a truck, but suddenly someone pulls your hand and drags you out, at that moment, it is Shree Thakorji who has saved us, by taking the form of that being. And such ghor kalyog, when offered prasad, we should accept it as being Shree Thakorjis blessing which we are recieving through gobalaks.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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admin
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Posted - 21 September 2004 : 16:19:02
Very well said Shreekantbhai,
I completely agree with your views and appreciate your deep understanding on the subject. I guess it's Thakorji's prerna to you that has maid you write all as above.
Well Done !
Shri Vallabhadhish ki Jai !!
Anand A. Majethia
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Posted - 21 September 2004 : 21:30:59
Jay Shree Krishna
Anandji, I think Gopalbhai is right. I happen to clarify this issue by reading the comments abt this in a book written by Goswami Sharadkumar Bawashri in pushtimarg.net website online version of this book is available. Go in the pushtimarg.net in books section and read praveshika.pdf. You will find the same views expressed by gopalbhai about prasad and samapita vastu. I was also not knowing this fact. But I need to again clarify this with my Shree guruji also. I will ask his holiness and come to you about this.
Jay shree krishna
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jatin
Pushtikul Ethics Director / P.E.M. June 2003
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Posted - 22 September 2004 : 09:12:34
Dear All,
I fully agree with Shreekant...there is no harm taking prasadi patal from haveli...as he said it is prasad given by Goswami Balak with his pleasure... i have personally seen the same...many of the time we are haveli for some seva and specially there is big manortha all volunteer has to be present...at haveli for more than 7 to 12 hours some time full night on that Goswami Balkas gives the prasad to us so should we say no that we cann't take..???
It's ultimately lies on individual thinking too...but as per my thinking there is no harm taking patal from haveli...
Jai Shree Krishna
Shree Dwarikadhiski Jai
Shree Sri Lalji Pyare Ki Jai
Jatin Malkan
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 25 September 2004 : 12:06:28
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
The uchist recieved from ShriGoswami Balaks is the adhramrut and the krupa which they give to us. But my only point is that any offerings given in the name of shrithakurji, and recived back the prasad cannot be taken.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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gopal
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Posted - 25 September 2004 : 12:16:57
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
ShriVitthalcharanji has quoted the book of praveshika from www.pushtimarg.net.
the below link with page 42 will give us the answer
http://www.pushtimarg.net/Download/Book/English/praveshika.pdf
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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shreekant22
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Posted - 25 September 2004 : 15:22:54
Jai Shree Krishna
To the best of my knowledge, accept sanmukh bhet, we cannot give any offerings in the name of Shree Thakorji. for the simple reason, who will recieve it, who has been authorised by Shree Thakorji to recieve his bhet? If a Vaishnav thinks he is making a bhet to Shree thakorji and recieving prasad against it, it is his mistake. In all havelis, when a reciept is given it says recieved on behalf of The respective Gobalak. Even for manoraths, when we make a bhet, it is given by the manrathi to Shree Gobalak, and only they are kind enough to perform the Manorath to Shree Thakorji as wished by teh Vaishnav. The Swaroops in havelis are their own sevya swaroops, and no Vaishnav has any right to offer anything to these swroops directly.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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