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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 29 October 2003 : 11:37:07
Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,
It is new year and the diwali just passed, and wish all the vaishnavas the happy diwali and the prosperous new year.
The festival time, so please clear my doubt.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 08 November 2003 : 12:22:34
Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh
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jay jay shree gokulesh sanjaybhai
i have given the answer that we should not take prasadi(by offering some BHET/NYCHHAVAR) from haveli as it is devdravya. here we are giving BHET and in laukik also if we are not taking back the thing which we have given as BHET then how can we take the same in alaukik. this is why we should not take prasadi from mandir.
vaibhav
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 09 November 2003 : 18:35:32
Jai Shree Krishna
Is this confusion due to the fact that one is relating the Prasad directly to the Nyochavar made. I think the to are distinct. You make a Nyochavar to the mandir. But the Prasad is given to you as Samarpit samagri independently. It is only ot have some kind of control over the distribution that the limitations are generated as to for so much nyochavar this samagri. Actually these to are not directly connected in the sense that unlike a shop where in you pay so much to get so much.
Once bhavana is important. it all amounts to how we percieve it.
Jai Shree Krishna
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 10 November 2003 : 12:43:56
Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,
But Shreekantbhai, if we perform seva at our residence, and if some of our beloved comes, and gives nyochavar for shri thakurji, do we utilize that nyochavar for shri thakurji or for our own?
And i don't think so that the thing got in exchange of nyochavar can ever be called as Prasad.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 11 November 2003 : 18:27:49
Jai Shree Krishna
We need to first clarify Nyochava itself.
Accoeding to my understanding, in our Mandirs, there are 2 kinds of offerings made.
1. Bhet that is placed in front of Shree Thakurji - This in Mandirs is utilised for the seva of Thakurji only, as is the case in our homes.
2. Bhet given to the temple - This to my understanding is offering given by the vaishnav to the Goswami Balak under whose care the temple is, for proper utilisation as best deemed fit by him. For Example: When a Chappan Bhog Takes place, Funds are collected for the same, this fund is not given by the vaishnav to Thakurji, it is given to the Goswami Balak for its utilisation. Even you may notice in the reciepts recieved (Also true in the case of biathaks etc.)is mentioned that the amount is collect on behalf of the Goswami Balak, and not the temple or shree Thakurji.
Hence it is not correct to link the Nyochavar made in the temple as that given to shree thakorji. On reading many Vaishnav Varthas, one may come across instances where Temple representatives where sent to distant places to fetch funds for the temple purposes, this was collected as funds given by the vishnav to the Goswami Balak, and only he has the authority to disperse it as best felt by him. This not only true of funds but also in the case of Fruits, Attar etc. When we offer it in the temple, a Vaishnavs correct way of offering it is to the Goswami balak, it is he who decides whether to the same may be offered to Shree Thakurji or not.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 15 November 2003 : 16:23:57
Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,
What we exactly understand by nyochavar?
Nyochavar means to expect something in place of something, i.e. if we go to the sweet shop to purchase sweets, then we give him the nyochavar of some particular sweet to get a required quantity of sweet. "If we refer to the word nyochavar then". That means in economic terms, the bartar system, to get wheat we give milk of cow. The same thing which we r referring as prasad got in place of nyochavar. I am very much clear about this topic, and i know that i am not wrong.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 26 November 2003 : 16:20:27
Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,
In the commentary of Siddhantamuktavali, Sri Vitthalanathji has categorically prohibited giving money or anything in favour of somebody
else's Sri Thakurji. Similarly, receiving money or anything in favour of ones own Sri Thakurji is also categorically prohibited. Nowadays Havelis and temples running on the name of Pushti Marg are openly discarding above sayings of our founder Acharyas. Whatever is given in favour of Haveli or temple becomes Devdravya. 'Devadravya' means things or money belong to Deva / Deity / Sri Thakurji. It's a great sin to consume Prasaad or anything made of Devadravya or obtained in return of Bhet / Nyochavar etc. Sri Vallabhacharya says: "Mero hve ke jo DEVADRAVYA khaaygo so patit hoyago". One should never take prasaad of Deva-dravya. According to the principle of Samarpan, one should offer one's own belongings in the service of ones own Sri Thakurji and consume that Samarpit-Prasaad. For initiated soul, consuming anything that is un-dedicated in the service of his own Sevya
Thakorji is vicious. Whereas, 'Samarpit-Prasad' means : Object offered to one's Sevya Sri Thakurji whose Nivedan has been done during Brahmasambandha initiation.
Sri Vallabhacharya has put great emphesis on the use of Samarpit-Prasaad and not on Asamarpit-Prasaad. 'Asamarpit-Prasaad' means : Whatever thing, belongs to whomsoever, that is offered to Sri Thakurji. E.g. we get eatables or anything from our fellow Vaishnav or Guru, which is offered to their respective Sri Thakurji, is called 'Prasaad'. As it is offered to Sri
Thakurji, it is Prasaad. However, it cannot be regarded as "Samarpita Prasaad" because neither the thing nor Sri Thakurji belongs to us.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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admin
President - Pushtikul.com
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Posted - 17 September 2004 : 03:10:15
Dear Vaishnavs,
Jai Shri Krishna !
Keeping in mind the feelings of all, I have deleted the topic regarding the paths in Pushtimarg. Fine, even if we agree that there aren't two paths in Pushtimarg, then why there is such a big difference of opinion ??? Why do some Vaishnavs clearly say that don't take Prasad from Nathdwara Haveli ???
And if it is argued that it is Daivi Dravya then I would like to put a question here that if Prasad of Nathdwara is Daivi Dravya, then how come the prasad from Thakorji of home is not Daivi Dravya ???
I have heared in some Varta that Shri Mahaprabhuji himself gave prasad to Vaishnavs. So can we object on that too and say that those Vaishnavs took Daivi Dravya ??
All I want to say here is don't have a difference of opinion, and don't make desection of principles laid down by shri mahaprabhuji. We all respect each others feeling and in no way intentionally or unintentionally I have tried to oppose or criticise anyone. And let's not try to over-power teachings of our Gurudev on others as they may result in creating gaps between Vaishnavs.
The way the topic was magnified and mis-understood was really shocking and to put a full stop on the topic, I would just say "Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh & Jai Shri Krishna !! Lets stay united !!"
Shri Vallabhadhish ki Jai !!
Anand A. Majethia
President
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 17 September 2004 : 16:57:20
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
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And if it is argued that it is Daivi Dravya then I would like to put a question here that if Prasad of Nathdwara is Daivi Dravya, then how come the prasad from Thakorji of home is not Daivi Dravya ???
Anandbhai, Seva aagynaed by ShriMahaprabhuji is the Tanuvittaja Seva, which means by our own tan and by our own dhan. Tan + Vitt.
Means by our own tan and dhan, we should do seva. GruhSeva is Tanuvittaja Seva. So it doesn't becomes Daivi Dravya. So in haveli's may be any, we do seva over there as tanuja or vittaja.
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I have heared in some Varta that Shri Mahaprabhuji himself gave prasad to Vaishnavs. So can we object on that too and say that those Vaishnavs took Daivi Dravya ??
No prasad given by ShriMahaprabhuji is the krupa-anugrah, that cannot be depicted as Daivi Dravya.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 17 September 2004 : 17:25:32
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
if some vaishnava can clarify if my argument is not clear, or may be i wrong, pls add opinions regardless of jai shrikrishna or jai jai shrigokulesh. Only as a pushtimargi.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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