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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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 Posted - 09 October 2004 : 10:22:15
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
As a vaishnav can we arrange SRIMAD BHAGVAT SAPTAH & if yes who should be the vakta.Pls inform.Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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pushtidas
Mover & Shaker Member
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Posted - 09 October 2004 : 14:41:37
Jai Shree krishna
When Gopalji you asked wether we should be arranging bhagwaat saptah, it needs to clearified that what is the purpose of arranging?
If we are going to set up a bhagvaat saptah after our ancestors (PITRUS) then yes per vedant and per Prabhucharan Shree Gokulnathji's vachnamrut, vaishnava can arrange bhagvat saptah in resolute of PITRU so they can have oblivation of soul.
Now the second part of the question is who should be at Vyas-pitha? In parampara and janama adhikaar, only a Brahmin should be the one to recite bhagvatji, and if the Brahmin is also a vaishnava then its more than wel-come to set a vyas-pith for the bhagvaat parayana for any vallabhi Vaishnava.
Daso no das
Pushtidas
Edited by - pushtidas on October 09 2004 14:44:17
Dasa no das
Pushtidas
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anpur
Pushtikul Elite Member - July 2003
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Posted - 13 October 2004 : 10:15:34
jai shri krishna,
Not For our ancestors (PITRUS) - pitru na udhdhar mate na karavi joie.when one take brahmsambandh his/her 21 pethi ne moksh mali jay che. mate pitru Dhundhukari jeva raheta nathi ke temno udhdhar karva mate bhagvat saptah karavi pade.
Pan potane sambhalva mate, satsamg mate kari shakay che wothout any desires.
Vakta mate shri mahaprabhuji e Jalbhed granth ma samjavyu che - je pushtimargiya vaishnav hoy ane je kahe te nu anusaran karta hoy, paisa mate, potanu pet bharva mate bhagvat katha na karta hoy eva vakta na mukhe thij sambhalvi joie.
correct me if i am wrong
Edited by - anpur on October 13 2004 10:30:58
Edited by - anpur on October 13 2004 15:15:40
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 13 October 2004 : 16:17:36
Jai Shree Krishna
As per the Shikshapatras too, Shree Hairraiji had advised vaishnavs to read Shrimad Bhagwatji. Only under extreme circumstances of not being able to read due to various reasons, should one do shravan of Shrimad Bhagwatji from another Vaishnavs vani. When Shree Vallabhkul do Bhagwatsaptah, ideally it is more to propagate bhakthi, than for other reasons, as of all scriptures, It is Shreemad Bhagwatji and Bhagwatji alone which can give us Bhakthi ras.
Further, all of us aware and know that Shreemad Bhagwatji is the swaroop of Shreeji bawa, in such a case, reading Shreemad bhagwadji is equivalent to seva of Shree Thakorji. Then how can mere listening to it be sufficient. It is like watching someone do seva, and feel satisfied.
Furhter, as Pushtimargiya Vaishnavs, one should read Shree Subhodiniji, to truely understand Shreemad Bhagwatji.
Again i would like to highlight the fact that as vaishnavs, when we go for Shreemad Bahgwatjis shravan from Vallabhkul, we should go for bhakthi ras prapthi and not for anything else.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 14 October 2004 : 09:52:17
Jai Shree Krishna
Gopal bhai, god created kaliyuga, and now he is giving jeevas an oppurtunity to commit the unbeleavalble - thakorji budhiferve to jeev apradh pan kare.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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vinod
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Posted - 14 October 2004 : 12:02:08
Dear All
Jai Shree Krishna
When an Oratator who recites Bhagwatji, to listen to, in to the Bhagwat is quite norm.
As mentioned earlier in this site, Shreemad Bhagwat is Shree Nathji in itself.
Whoever is reciting the Bhagwat, does not alter the fact that the Slokas are still orginals and the only thing that changes is the translations of the Slokas.
Now it is upto an idvidual what one is going accept and reject in the mater of the translation, without having the original Slokas altered.
So to run after Bhagwat and listen to is norm, but to accept the translations of the original slokas, intelligence must be implemented.
Jai Shree Krishna
Jai Shree Krishna
Vinod Savjani
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vinod
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Posted - 15 October 2004 : 16:07:20
Jai Shree Krishna Gopalji
Following is just food for thought & not a confirmation.
In the good old days, perhaps a Vakta's day to day need was full filled by Shrotas and the need to earn by means of reciting Bhagvatam would not have been the case.
But in this day & age, Vaktas & Shrotas come to a mutual agreement, and mostly the Shrotas would offer monies along with gifts in return. The funds received by Vaktas becomes his daily living. This then could be considered as part of donation/Bhet to the Vakatas.
However,it is noted that very popular Vaktas have estblished Trust here & there and members of the trust will engange in negotating the deal.
I also beleive that is one way of contributing to the society.
Thus some commercials is in observation.
Views expressed here in is my personal opinion and remains uncomfirmed.
Jai Shree Krishna
Vinod Savjani
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vinod
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Posted - 15 October 2004 : 17:37:46
Jai Shree Gopalji
Whilst focusing on your question, I came across an article
The extract is from Pushtimarg.net so all credits to them.
Here while defining term 'Tanuvittaja' , Shri Prabhucharan and Shri Purushottamaji, say that offering money to other to perform seva, or to accept money to perform seva, is never considered to be a Pushti seva. Such seva with other's money cannot materialize in to concentration of mind in Shri Krshna as in yajna, the hired purohit is not to get the fruit of the yajna. On the contrary, if such acceptance of wealth from others, taken for his own Lord Krshna, to whom a person is serving him in his own house, is used for his own livelihood/fame, then this person is to be treated as 'devlak' i.e. the lowest category of soul with a great offence. Shri Gusainji, the second son of Shri Acharyaji in his short treatise named 'The swan of devotion' clearly says that any devotional practice done due to motive of earning livelihood or fame etc. is merely worldly profession like farming. Moreover it is sinful, also like using holy water of Ganges in toilet, for defecation. Similarly by offering money to other for performing seva is also fruitless as it generates pride, which is hurdle in getting concentration of mind in Shri Krshna. In vedic yajna, the donor is benefited but in Pushti-bhakti-marg such a style of worship is not prescribed any where. Thus devotion/seva as prescribed by our Acharyas with body-wealth is not possible anywhere except our own house. This is explained by the son of Shri Vallabh, Shri BalKrshnanji while commenting on the above verse of 'Bhaktivardhini' according to him this verse indicates the nature of place of worship which is a devotee's own residence. If leaving the God at the house and rush to offer worship somewhere else (so called Pushti Marg Public temples) is never termed as pushti devotion. In pushti sect, one and the most important aspect of worship is to employ one's own body and own money in service of Shri Krshna with total dedication. This aspect of total dedication cannot be fulfilled when there is a bifurcation of body and money to be used for worship and this practice is totally prohibited. At present 99.9% of the temples of this sect do receive money from public. And public, at large, also think that monitory contribution for worship in the temples is the most pious religious duty in Pushtimarg founded by Mahaprabhu even though theoretically there was strict prohibition for the bifurcation of body and money to be used for worship!
Jai Shree Krishna
Vinod Savjani
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 15 October 2004 : 19:38:38
Jai Shree Krishna
Vinod bhai, as very clearly explained in previous posts, what ever the reason, personal intrests, social cause or general good to mankind, Shreemad Bhagwatjis varnan ought not to be done for anything in return, including fame. What do we learn, understand or percieve of Shreemad Bhawatji, Varnan of Thakrojis supreme leelas and in many places we get a jhalak of Shree Thakorji himself, how can such an act that tries to provide a glimpse of that which is alaukik in this laukik world be traded?
Such a trade practice in what ever form is not to be done and unpardonable.
We as Vaishanvs do not so seva of Shree Thakorji for any kind of benefits, material or spiritual, we seek to be in his seva only, that is all we pray for, seva in this world too and for his alaukik seva in golok dham. Shreemad bhagwadjis varnan is seva only, then how can one trade teh very seva for material needs in what ever form?
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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vinod
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Posted - 15 October 2004 : 22:41:01
Dear Shreekanbhai, Jai Shree Krishna
I agree with your post, but nonetheless
I have observed, a few Bhramins directly from Mathura come to UK for the very purpose of earning for the wellfare of their family.
A full time Kathakar's occupation is to recite the Bhagwatam, How does this person support his family? What would the reciter expect from the shrotas?
Perhaps you could make some suggestion bearing in mind the Social-Welfare & Economics of todays world and without the compromise of what is posted here in.
This is not to suggest that there is any disagreement but the need to understand the facts - Real world & ????
Jai Shree Krishna
Vinod Savjani
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 19 October 2004 : 11:10:10
Jai Shree Krishna
A Kathakar may highlight many other granths, discuss stories and there by highlight the various siddhants of the marg etc., but certainly not shreemad bhagwatji, to trade its varnaan is not accpetable.
And also why should anything be traded for their welfare at all, as vaishnavs why dont we offer them things a simple daan, instead of trading with them for reciting kathas etc. They are brahmins, to give daan is correct, to trade is even other wise not right.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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