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vinod
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Posted - 23 October 2004 : 17:41:26
Dear Vaishnavs
Jai Shree Krishna
Phew... What a lengthy topic and interesting Satsang.
Yes Shreekanbhai, Gopalbhai and all hope we have all learnt something out of this Satsang.
After having posted the previous posting, in the matter of the Grace & Love, I feel that to go beyond all rules & regulations, Pure Devotion must be implimented.
Thus I seek blessings from all Vaishnavs, to reach that goal one day.
Thank you
Vinod
Edited by - vinod on October 23 2004 18:03:03
Jai Shree Krishna
Vinod Savjani
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manish1
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Posted - 25 October 2004 : 11:11:24
Jai Shree Krishna,
I just think that Gopal bhai, most of us are saying the same thing. As firstly our first preference is a Vallab Kul balak or a Vaishnav who does not expect any money for doing so.
Also we are not obliged to give money, but we might give some bhet.
Also today unlike 500 years back, I doubt we would sit under a tree and listen. For the venue or administrative purposes some funds might be required.
Also agree fully with Shreekant Bhai/Gopal Bhai, that if any additional funds should be used for Thakorji seva only.
Manish
Jai Shree Krishna
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manish1
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Posted - 25 October 2004 : 11:25:49
Jai Shree Krishna,
Gopal bhai, your point is taken. Pushtikul.com has about 415 members I think, and also who would have posted something in last 3 months would be maybe 20-30.
So the opinion here, might be different from the practice outside. Also when Kiritbhai topic was discussed, no one from here showed any sympathy towards him.
Also all were united that we should boycott him completely. Even last time when he was here, Myself, Jayvin, Devanshu did not go there.
But we cannot force our views on others.
We are for sure not saying that we should change pushtimarg.
Manish
Jai Shree Krishna
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pushtidas
Mover & Shaker Member
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Posted - 28 October 2004 : 14:06:11
Jai Shree Krishna
Very well quoted from the Granth Gopalji. Even when Shree Prabhu was doing vachnamrut with Brahmaji, Shree Prabhu said:
Shrimad Bhagvatam Naam Purana Lokvishrutam |
Shravaniyachada Yukto mama Santoshkarnam ||
Thakorji said to Brahmaji that Shrimad Bhagvaatji is very lok-prakhiyaat (well known on earth) and it is a Puran whoever does smaran with shradha, this in return gives me that pleasure and contemptness.
Please refer to the Granth tittled "Shrimad Bhaghagvaat Mahatmay". This Mahatmay is of 31 "padas" that is 32 slokas. If we undersatand mahatmai (Significance Of Bhagvaatji) then we will not use Bhagvaat saptah for viyavrati.
Shree Bhagvaatji is "Uttam Kalp-vruksha". Dharma and Gnan is Sadhan, a vehicle to steer through religious rituals, but Shree Bhagvaatji brings that "Avirbhava" (Deep innermost strength of closeness), so with Dharma, Gnan and Bhagvaatji brings us that close to Thakorji.
This Bhagvaatji was brought on earth by Naradji in a container of "Kalp-Vruksha". In normal Kalp-vruksha we can achieve what our heart desires, but the Kalp-Vruksha of Shreemad Bhagvaatji is different, it not only gives what one seeks, it also triggers that Bhagvad bhava and in the end one is received face to face with Thakorji. So out of all Kalp-vruksha, Bhagvaatji Kalp-vruksha is most "UTTAM", that is top of the tops.
Hense how can a vaishnava read Bhagvaatji for Viyavrati? The above is some synopsis from that lovely granth written by Shrr Thakorji for Brahmaji. So this is a real Shruti-vaani.
Daso no das
Pushtidas
Dasa no das
Pushtidas
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vinod
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Posted - 28 October 2004 : 15:45:05
Dear Gopalji
Jai Shree Krishna
Attempting to understand the criteria, then what is Kathakars Like Kiritbhai reciting?
Is it Bhagvatam or is it another Granth from other planet?
So it is now implied or rather confirmed that one must exercise Caution if choosing to go to listen to Bhagvatam.
Caution has to be also exercised if one wants to organise recitement of Bhagvatam.
Since Sanskrit is my weakness, Could anyone check & correct my understanding?
Vinod
Jai Shree Krishna
Vinod Savjani
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pushtidas
Mover & Shaker Member
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Posted - 28 October 2004 : 19:40:58
Jai Shree Krishna
Vinodbhai, sanskrut or no sanskrut, but you are doing fine. Gnan seva on its own will never take one to that Pushti Param fal.
Anyway,now that you have put the most two valid points: 1. Caution required in Bhagvaat recitement and 2. Choosing and listening bhagvaatji from a correct Vakta (the one who recites bhagvaatji).
Let us summarise this topic so far in progress:
Shree Bhagvaatji has Five languages, one, the mostly done by Vyasji in his Samadhi, this known as Samadhi Bhasa and the second most important vani is Shruti Bhasa, which is directly recited by Thakorji's vaani and in conjuction with Swaminiji. So in short we have five different languages used in interpretation of Shreemad Bhagvaatji, for example, Dongrai Maharajnu Bhagvaat etc.
So we as Vaishnava choose not to listen to any other Bhasa, ecxept the one excepted by Shree Vallabh.
Shree Vallabh also do not approve that one has to use Bhagvaatji as a weapon for livelyhood. But other four languages are now used by Vakta like Kiritbhai to do Samuha Bhagavaat Katha to make a sadhan of livelihood. This is very well setup in various posting of Gopalji and in the end it is this difference we have to consider.
Daso no das
Pushtidas.
Dasa no das
Pushtidas
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pushtidas
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Posted - 29 October 2004 : 13:13:30
Jai Shree Krishan
Gopalbhai we as vaishnav sometimes do know right and wrong and although we have all lovely sahitiya on Pushti marag, we still have miles to go as our individual thinking, circumstances differ from vaishnav to vaishnav.
Let individual think what to do. A good vaishnava can only point to a right way to follow Pushti Marag, but he/she cannot hold hands and persuade that vaishnav. You have pointed to right indicater and hope everyone will take notice and do needful.
Daso no das
Pushtidas
Dasa no das
Pushtidas
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anoopjp
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Posted - 08 November 2004 : 13:50:09
Dear Vaishnavs,
Jai Shree Krishna
According to what I have heard, Shreemad Bhagvat is also a vangmay swarup of thakorji. Therefore when reading or listening to Shreemad Bhagwat we are performing seva of thakorji. Any vakta if choses to do shreemad bhagwat katha has to accept the supremacy of our thakorji as bhagwan and also the supremacy of Gopijan as bhakta.
As Gopijan's bhaav towards thakorji is the mul siddhant of Pushtimarg therefore Shreemad bhagwat said by anyone who is a Brahmin and a vaishnav should be heard willfully and attentively.
Anoop
Anoop J. Purohit
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 09 November 2004 : 15:46:37
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
Pujya ShriBavashri, request to spread some light on this topic pls?
Edited by - gopal on November 24 2004 09:23:41
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 24 November 2004 : 11:24:33
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Jai Shree Krishna
Vasantbhai, pdamanbhdasji was brahmin, right then why did Shree Mahaprabhuji tell him...."Padmanabh, if you do this, how will you make any money ? This is your livelihood ! True, you should not recite the Bhagvatam to make money, but you are allowed, by laws of the scriptures, to make money by reciting Itihaas (ancient histories) such as MahaBharata."
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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