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kandurp
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Posted - 03 September 2004 : 17:33:32
Jai Shree Krushna,
Shreekant bhai I hope that will conclude the topic, Jai Shree Krushna is Universal Greeting not only for the vaishnav but for the whole Sanatan Dharm followers.
Shree Vallabha Dhish Ki Jai.
Kandurp.
kandurp joshi
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pushtidas
Mover & Shaker Member
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Posted - 03 September 2004 : 21:59:41
Jai Shree Krishna
Well said shreekantji, Jai Jai shree Gokulesh was coined when Shree Prabhucharan Shree Gokulnathji saved Mala Tilak and Pushti Marg from underlying threat by non pushtimargiya and malech yoniswabhava. It was "Bhaiji" who made the ghoshna as Jai Jai shree Gokulesh and since then it is been in Chaturpeeth Vyayom greetings for Gokulnathji. This was depicted not as Guru's addar but Bahvik followers believed that Shree Gokulnathji as Shree Prabhu and hense the ghoshna of Jai Jai Shree Gokulesh.
On the same token Jai Shree Krishna is a very old greeting inspired by parans and also Shree Vithalnathji when did his famous vachnamrut of MULPURUSH explained how Jai Shree Krishna came into use and who was the first person to exclaimed this immortal jai jai kar. He also explained about Shree Krishna Sharanam Mamah , the Mahamantra.
Jai shree krishna
Pushtidas
Dasa no das
Pushtidas
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ojhaak
Pushtikul Elite Member - September 2003
209 Posts
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Posted - 09 September 2004 : 13:17:28
Jai Shree Krishna
Basic most important underlying principle is BHAV.
Now it is upto individual as to how he can maintain. Either Jai Shree Krishna or Jai ...
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The forgoing discussions are all valid as rightly said : Hari Anant Hari Ananta, Gavahi Sunahi bhu visdi sub Sants (Vaishnavas).
Jai Shree Krishna
Jai Shree Krishna
A.K.OJHA
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pushtidas
Mover & Shaker Member
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Posted - 09 September 2004 : 13:36:38
Jai Shree Krishna
Well said but may I also add that with Bhava, Shree Ojhaji, we also required "asakti"?
Jai Shree Krishna
Pushtidas
Dasa no das
Pushtidas
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vitthalcharan
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Posted - 10 September 2004 : 13:41:37
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Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
Mulbhoot there r 7 dwars in our sampraday, m i right? If yes, the every jeev comming in pushtimarg belongs to some particular dwar for to be a sevaks, and not to all 7 dwars. Jaybhai, u r right that vallabhkul is shrimaharabhuji's swaroop. But u can treat every vallabhkul as a guru. My argument might mind someone, but to clarify pls understand me. All vallabhkul is same, but for a guru, should be only 1. Even if u go through old stories, u will find that the sevaks of these saptaacharyas didn't went to hear the vachnamrut apart from their Shrigurudev's shrimukh, means if a vaishnava was a sevak of ShriGirdharji, didn't came to SriGokuleshji for getting instructions for sampraday related questions, but that vaishnava only goes to ShriGirdharji and similarly for all 7 aacharyas. Because each aacharya right from that age till present has their own theory to explain but the vani of shrimahaprabhuji remains same. we jeevs r so pamar that we can't understand every vani every explainations from every vallabhkul, so we did only 1 guruji.
If this point is clear then let's understand aasakti, aasakti means affection, dedication, dinta towards that swaroop, even if the swaroop is a thakurji or ShriGurudev. If we recall the 1st varta of 84 vaishnavas, damodardasji, never did thakurji seva, but only served shrimahaprabhuji as sarvasva. similarly the sevaks from chaturthpeeth has great attraction for their mulpurush, chaturthkumar shrigokuleshprabhucharan, so for bhagwat smaran they say Jai Jai ShriGokulesh. Even me too as i m from Chaturthpeeth.
Even we find the sevaks from the ancestors of ShriRamanlalji Maharajshri of Mathura says Jai Jai ShriGokulesh.
And srajani ShriChinubavashri belongs to other dwar apart from Chaturthpeeth, so the answer comes automatically.
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vitthalcharan
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Posted - 10 September 2004 : 14:03:38
Jay shree krishna to all vaishnavas
I want to comment on certain things about pushtimarg.
The discussion abt jai jai shree gokulesh or shree gopal or any other only remains valid only and only when "Krishna Tatparya" is thier. Any section in any marg must not deviate from "Krishna Taatparya". "Krishna Taatparya" means do everything(physical or mental) for Shree krishna.i.e Seva or manasi seva everything must be shree krishna. In SHODASH GRANTH, in his "Navratna" Granth, Shree mahaprabhuji says that "Seva Krutir Guru Aagya Badhanam Vaa Haricchaya" means Do the seva of shree krishna as per directed by Shree Gurudev but that is overridden when shree thakorji wants otherwise. So Shree mahaprabhuji has also said that From the Aagya of Guru or thakor, precedence must be given to thakorji's aagya. Again "Krishna Taatparya" is implied. Also, he says that "Chetatastpravanam Seva" i.e seva is considered best when it is done accompanying your Chitt. Also he says that "Manasi me para mata.." i.e From all kinds of seva, Manasi seva is best. In His other granths also shree mahaprabhuji says that some times, the jiva may not take bramhsambh diksha since the Prembbhav in that person is already developed then also he can be consideerd as Bhaktimargiya or pushtimargiya. That person without bramhsambandh can also do seva of pushti purushottam. For e.g Gopis of Vraj were never given bramhsambandh diksha by any body.The Bij bhav in already developed for shree thakorji. Again, the guruji although it may be from any sect, if guru does not take you towrds krishna then he can't be considered as guru again "krihsna taatparya". Also Shree mahaprabhuji has given characteristics of guru that
1. must be a MALE
2. He must be Constantly involved in Krihsna Seva
3. He must be Marmagya in Brahmasutras, Shreemad Bhagwad geeta, Shreemad Bhaagawat Purana and all 4 Vedas.
4. He must be defeicient of All Dambh etc..
if a guru lacks any 1 from above then he can;t be considered as guru.
Refer to Jalbhed granth for this.
The essence of this is "Krihsna Taarparya". The one who directs to krishna is right and others are wrong. (according to shree mahaprobhuji).
My aim of this email was to convey to all vaishnavas that they must read all shree mahaprabhuji and shree gusaiji's granth and remove the misnomers existing today in purtimarg. A vaishnav must read SHODASH granth in detail and understand pustimarg. Otherwise any damn person may misguide you.
It's time to return to Shree Subodhiniji and SHODASH granth and know pusthimarg.
Jay shree krishna
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 10 September 2004 : 15:05:12
jai jai shrigokulesh,
Jai Jai Shrigokulesh is the identity of Sevaks of ShriGokuleshji
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 11 September 2004 : 11:27:33
Jai Shree Krishna
Shree Gokulnathji, one of the Sapthacharyas certainly did not deviate from Krishna Tatparya. He was one of the most eminant personalities of his time, and if not for him, pushtimarg would have lost its identity a very long time back.
Jai Jai Shree Gokulesh in no way deviates from Krishna Tatparya, it only enhances a particular sub-sects identity.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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jayvinbhatt
Mover & Shaker Member
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Posted - 11 September 2004 : 11:49:39
jai shree krishna
all the above statements and comments made are valid i suppose and, we should just follow what shree vallabh and shree gusaiji had told us to follow.
most of the time in today's world it can be seen that people dont even respect vallabh kul balaks and see there dosh which is very very bad. people usually try to do BHED BHAV when theri guru ghar or they reside in their country which shouldnt be the case at all.
we should just consider that swaroop of shree maahprabhuji and do his seva.rather then going back from our duties that this is not our guru ghar so we wont do anything.
well i hope i make my self clear if its confusing then sorry.
thank you
Jay Bhatt
(JAI SHREE KRISHNA)
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 12 September 2004 : 13:59:30
jai jai shrigokulesh,
even the followers of ShriGokuleshji follows the aagyna of shrimahaprabhuji shrigopinathjiprabhucharan, shrigusaijiprabhucharan, it doesn't mean that it is trying to create the bhed bhaav but it is the nistha towards the guru who showed the path of pushti and we obey.Now just a question the jeev follower of 1st peeth means shrinathji, when doing darshana speaks shrigoverdhan nath ki jai, the follower of kankroli says shri dwarikadhish ki jai, similarly the followers of shrigokuleshji speaks shrigokulnath ki jai. Does it comes to be the bhed bhaav of the swaroop asakti or the identity of that particular gurughar?
In pushtimarg we had 7 dwars and each dwar has their own way to worship but with education of shrimahaprabhuji. To which dwar our attitude sets is the jeev's own thought and follows the same path. There why only we don't say shrivallabhadhish ki jai?
It is not the sect but a part of pushtimarg.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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