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jatin
Pushtikul Ethics Director / P.E.M. June 2003
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Posted - 27 November 2003 : 12:18:46
Dear Gopal,
I donot know what should i tell you first of all your question it self gives you the answer which you are posted Second thing about the Lord Shiva as told by you also that he was the First Vaishnav so what is wrong doing the naman to him as i told you in previous answer as a vaishnav we have to say Jai Shree Krishna but first up all are we on that category to say jai shree krishna to Lord Shiva??? He is the lord Shiva and we are just Human being so he is top of the all of us so as per my feeling there is no harm to doing naman to him instead of saying jai shree krishna .
Thirdthing about other God and Godess ...
We have so many relatives like father, mother , uncle, aunt, knees etc.. same way the all other god and goddess are the relative of Shri Thakorji so we should give respect to them .
Fourth thing if Prasad of other god or godess than indirectly we are taking the blessing also and we are doing anyashraya and as a Pushtimargiya vaishnav we should believe one lord that is SHree Krishna.
If u think i have hurt than please writer mail to me.
Jai Shree Krishna
Shree Dwarikadhiski Jai
Shree Sri Lalji Pyare Ki Jai
Jatin Malkan
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DeZi_PrIdE
Entry Level Member
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Posted - 09 December 2003 : 14:56:10
Jai Shree Krishna
i was just readin the messages in the fourm and came across a message from vaibhav shah and i was just wondering why there is limit of which age of bhagvan we can worship beacuse my mom has baby gopal and he is seved by her guru so y the age limit of 11-52. and also we were always taught there is one GOD but he has many incarnation so why are we diffrenciating them when they are all one.
Jai Shree Krishna
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vaibhav_shah
Pushtikul Elite Member - December 2003
270 Posts
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Posted - 09 December 2003 : 16:25:45
Dear Dipikaben
IN PUSHTIMARG we always worship VRAJESH SHREE KRUSHNA (who was the ISHVAR (GOD) of VRAJ). SHREE KRUSHNA left the VRAJ at the age of 11year and 52 days. So we worship SHREE KRUSHNA whose age is bellow this.
So this is the answer of your first question. Now for second answer I will give you an example.
Suppose you have gone to your uncle’s house. Now if some body comes to you and tells you that, from the house give me some thing. At this time you will hesitate to give because this is not your house. But if you are in your house then this hesitation will not be there. But still you are the same person. Isn’t it?
Similarly GOD is only one. But he came here on the earth for some work. Many a times he many not come with his full power. Same as you are in your uncle’s house. But when he came here as LORD KRUSHNA then he was with his full power. You may know that SHREE RAM is known as MARYADA PURSHOTAM and LORD KRUSHAN is known as PURN PURSHOTHAM.
So we should respect all these forms of GOD. Even this whole universe is made by GOD, so we should respect everybody. But for doing worship we should do only LOARD KRUSHNA.
If you have still any doubt then do ask the questions.
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Vasant Punjabi
Vice-President & Pushtikul Elite Member - May 2003
1047 Posts
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Posted - 17 December 2003 : 21:03:07
Jai Shri Krishna,
Interesting topics to be added for more knowledge
A devotee with a desire to serve Shri Krshna, should first take diksha called 'Nam Diksha' which is also known as dikasha of Shri Krshna refuge(Shranagati). By this diksha a devotee is taking a refuge with Shri Krshna only. Lord Krshna in Gita explains the same thing as follows;
"Sarva dharman parityajya mamekam shranam vraj, aham twaam sarvpapebhyo mokshayishyami maa shuchah" and
" Devi esha gunamayee mama maayaam durtyayaa, maamev ye prapdyante maayaametaam taranti te"
means For this wonderful illusion of Mine (Shri Krshna's) consisting of the three Gunas (modes of nature) is extremely difficult to get overcome; those however who take refuge in Me alone (who take an absolute refuge in Shri Krshna alone) cross it". And "Surrendering all duties to Me(Shri Krshna), seek refuge in Me(Shri Krshna) alone. I (Shri Krshna) shall absolve you of all sins, grieve not". In other words the soul can attain liberation from this illusion , only by leaving the commitment (faith) in all means, and taking Shri Krshna's refuge only. A true devotee of Shri Krshna should disassociate himself from other incarnations or means/acts. Shri Bhagawat also quotes " Yathaa hi skandhshaakhaanaam tarormulaavasechanam evamaaraadhanam Vishnoho sarveshaamaatmanacha hi" means by watering roots, the branches & leaves also get nourishment, similarly by offering worship to Lord Vishnu, it is nothing but worshiping all souls including self. In Gita also Lord Krshna says " Yepya nyadevta bhkta yajante sradhhyaanvita tepi maamev kontey yajanti avidhi purvakam" means even those devotees who endowed with faith, worship other Gods, they too worship me (Shri Krshna) alone, though not in accordance with rules (without proper knowledge).
Our Gurus have given us proper best knowledge by introducing us directly to Lord Krishna so lets follow the best method. (Eg. It is better to deal directly then thru the agent in business to avoid confusion and commissions.)
It is further explianed as follows
one has to take Aatamnivedan (Dedicational) Diksha. Sarvasamparan i.e. total dedication of one's ownself along with all the belongings. This is neither an act of renunciation nor a tendency ` of possessing what belongs to us for our own sake. 'Dedication' means possessing whatever that belongs to us for the sake of worship of God. One cannot dedicate things to the Lord, which do not belong to him. This is taken as Vow at the time of initiation called "Brahmasabandha'. Theoretically it was the initiation for worshiping Shri Krshna, but now a days this initiation is given for admitting the person in to the cult.
Shri Bhagwat says "Kridaarthmaatmana idam trijagat kritam te swaamyam tu tatra kudhiyopara eesha kuryuhu, kartuhu prabhho tava kimasyat aavahanti, tyaktahriyasvatvadavaropita kartuvaadaaha: means the God has created this entire world for his divine sports. Those with satanic attitude only consider themselves as the master of this world. When God himself is creator, mentor and destroyer of this world, then, illusion by His divine power, these fellows assuming the false creator-ship of this world cannot assume a true Devotion of God. This type of wrong conception to be removed and keeping the belief that all these are His only and for Him only. With such frame of mind, body-wife-son-house etc to be offered to god for his pleasure. To express this to God is termed as 'Atamnivedan'. After this 'Atamnivedan' Diksha no fault/sin of the person can come in the way of Krshna Seva . The same thing is told to Shri Acharya by God himself in Sindhaantrahasya as " Brahmasambandh karanaat sarveshaam deha jeevayoho, sarvdoshnivritihi doshaha panchvidhaaha smritaahaa" By accepting "Brhmasambandh' diksha all faults of a person gets absolved. The opposite understanding of a person disqualifies him from Shri Krshna Seva.
Now what to do after taking this Samarpan/Brahmsambhandh diksha? Shri Acharyaji clarifies this doubt in "Sidhantrahasya' as Nivedibhih samarpaiva sarvam kuryaditi sthitih, na matam devadevasya samibhuktasamrpanam. Tasmadadau sarvakarye sarvavastusamarpanam " means "The firm rule is that those who are dedicating themselves (to Lord) should first offer every thing (to Lord), and then act. It is simply unacceptable to offer something half-eaten to the God of gods. Therefore at the very beginning of every undertaking the devotee should offer (to Lord) everything (he will use)" Thus subsequent to 'Aatmanivedan diksha' one must serve God in his own house (Tanu-Vittaja Seva as explained later) by offering everything related to Self and his belongings and only thereafter everything is to be used for himself. Direct use of anything without offering to God is prohibited. It is to be borne in mind that the worldly ownership of the devotees' wealth remains with him but the divine ownership of wealth remains with God. That is why Shri Acharyaji states in 'Sidhaantrahasya' that "dattapaharavachanam tatha cha sakalam hareh, na grahyamiti vakyam hi bhinnamarga param matam" means For the traditional sayings to the effect that one may not take back what has given, and that nothing which belongs to Hari may be taken (for one's own use), are applicable to other paths (not to this one). But if a person relinquishes his worldly ownership also in favour of God then it is not recognized as a devotional offer (Samarpan) but it is called as a Gift (Daan) to God, and if he uses this Gift for his own personal use then he is guilty of using God's wealth (Devdravya).
Jai Shri Krishna.
Vasant
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ojhaak
Pushtikul Elite Member - September 2003
209 Posts
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Posted - 24 December 2003 : 10:31:40
Jai Shri Krishna,
I have been going through the delibrations.
This reminds me that before marrige a girls may keep many photographs and boys friends, but after marrige , the same will raise many questions and is detrimentalin life - as taughts by Shri Mahprabhiji in ANTAHKARAN BODH.
Keeping this in mind, as well Swatha Gamnomev ch...Varjayat of Vevekdhyarashraya as an answer to the question.
Jai Shree Krishna
A.K.OJHA
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