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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
1221 Posts
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 Posted - 16 November 2003 : 11:11:48
As a pushtimargi Vaishnav why cant we worship Shiv or take prasad of any other temple? I have firm faith in Shrinathji but cannot digest the fact that we cannot even bow to other gods especially Shivji who happens to be a param vaishnav. Kindly explain the query.Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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Vasant Punjabi
Vice-President & Pushtikul Elite Member - May 2003
1047 Posts
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Posted - 17 November 2003 : 09:54:34
Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,
Gopalbhai you must not get upset but read carefully.
Ask yourself are u a pushtimarg vaishnav?
if yes then u have taken brahmasamband right.
While taking brahmasamband you have made Shri Acharyaji Mahaprabhuji not only your Guru but you have also taken oath that you have made Shri Krishna your God understand the meaning of the oath taken in front of God and Shri Mahaprabhuji and Shri Yamunaji and you have declared that Shri Krishna I am under your shelter. Do u remember??
Understand clearly the full Brahmasamband carefully.
Now read VivekaDariyasrayah foll para and try to understand what is being taught by our Guru.
Anyasha bhajanam tatra svato gamanameva ca,
prarthana karya matrepi tato anyatra viverjayet.
Paraphase english meaning to make it simple.
The devotees (of the path of Grace) should shun the adoration of any other God, going there himself (for seeking his proximity) and praying to him for anything, whatsoever.
Neither the worship of other God nor going to His place for this purpose is permissable. The spirit of refuge (one which you have taken with Lord Shri Krishna) disappears due to the reciation of the name of any other God and seeking his proximity.
Next para
Avisvaso na kartavyah sarvathat badhakastu sah
brahmastra catakau bhavyau praptam sevet nirmamah.
One should't disbelieve when it comes to the refuge of God. Disbelief is the greatest stumbling block. It leads to the loss of the spirit regarding resort.
Eg. When Shri Hanuman went to Lanka to search
Sita he was trapped in Brahmastra but still Ravan disbelieved in it and used other means and power to hold Hanuman tight and this made brahmasatra totally ineffective.
Similarly if you loose faith and your refuge as promised in Brahmasamband and approach other Gods your trust will be destroyed.
But one thing if you passing a temple and you think and know that they are big bhagwadiyas like Shri Shiva a big vaishnav then yes please do visit and do your pranam and Jai Shri Krishna you must love all devotees of God.
Jai Shri Krishna.
Vasant
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Jigna
Pushtikul Elite Member - October 2003
219 Posts
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Posted - 17 November 2003 : 16:45:57
Jai Shree Krushna,
Gopal bhai,
One more explanation I wud love to give is tht, Even Lord shiva bowed down to the power of Lord Krishna and came all the way from Kashi to meet him during his birth. So you see Lord Krishna is Suprema and powerful of all. And taking his refuge and none other God's refuge will solve all ur probs. Even Lord Vishnu while taking Avaatar told all the Gods that he'll remove all the adharm from this earth and his supreme power shd b respected.
So a vaishanav shd respect his supreme power and not have any doubts abt him by visiting other temples.
If I'm wrong do correct me.
Jigna
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
1853 Posts
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Posted - 18 November 2003 : 18:11:46
Jai Shree Krishna
Pushtimarga through its preaching of seva, ultimately leads us to continuous meditation. Wherein thinking about Shree Thakorji, the samagri to be prepared for him, the vastra to be adorned by him, his shringar, utsavs etc., Vaishnav is always thinking of the lord directly or indirectly, this is broken when we allow thoughts about other deities and temples to intervene. Also there is every chance that our jeev in a moment of weakness may lose its firmness in faith of his own lord, it is in order to avoid such mishaps that the concept of anyasharay strongly advocated in pushtimarag.
More over to many of us, frankly speaking, more than losing faith in our marag, it is the feeling of guilt that something unfroeseen may happen because we a overlooking a deity like Shiva or Ganesha. My strong advise is to recite
Shree Sarvottam stotra daily, and personally experience the transition of overriding this feeling of guilt and a mulitfold increase in your dhradata towards your own Marag.
Edited by - shreekant22 on November 18 2003 18:14:16
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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Jigna
Pushtikul Elite Member - October 2003
219 Posts
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Posted - 18 November 2003 : 21:02:47
Jai shree Krushna,
Shreekanthbhai,
Don't u feel tht Pushtimargya this way is a bit rigid and is not flexible as it doesn't allow freedom. Whne Lord Krishna can worship other deities then why not us. Somewhere this concept is indigestible. To some extent even I've started feeling the same as Gopalbhai. Besides, why a mother can't love her children equally.
do reply back.
Jiganasa
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manish1
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Posted - 19 November 2003 : 21:06:09
Jai Shree Krishna,
What if we visit, other Krishna temples like say Radha Krishna temple. What if we dont have a haveli near by ?
Thanks
Manish
Manish
Jai Shree Krishna
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malati
Junior Member
119 Posts
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Posted - 20 November 2003 : 03:50:58
jay jay sreegoklesh, If you wants became a shudhapustimargy
vaisnav you should follow the rull of shudhapustimarg which is
explain in sixapatra and do manan of sixapatra . we should follows
chatak for pativratadharm for swatinaxatra jal. we should anany-
aasray of our thakorji.chetak not even taste of other jal.
you should read a 252,vaisnav varta no-66 and other some
varta also teach us why should not woship other god? 252 vaisnav
vartas is good for satsang and divadadi of vaisnav's good and bad
thinking.
shiv was came to nandalay as abhakt of krashna on krashnajanma and
to taken agift.our thakorji is purna purshotam and root of tree.
and other devidevta is like pradhan and man of king.we should feela
water in aroot only. other dev is only part purshotam not purna
purshotam. they are only follows our thakorji's order.our thakorji
is king of all. malati.
malati
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vaibhav_shah
Pushtikul Elite Member - December 2003
270 Posts
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Posted - 22 November 2003 : 14:27:45
GOPALBHAI the answer of your question is just no. WE CAN NOT WORSHIP ANY GOD OR GODESS OTHER THEN LORD SHREE KRUSHNA (AND THAT TO ONLY WHO BORN IN SARASWAT KALPA, WHO IS IN VRAJ , i.e OF THE AGE OF 11 YEARS AND 52 DAYS.)
Now in this topic there were several topics were covered.
i fully agree with vasantbhai, and this is the first and foremost reason for not going anywhere except lord krushna.
as vasantbhai told "one thing if you passing a temple and you think and know that they are big bhagwadiyas like Shri Shiva a big vaishnav then yes please do visit and do your pranam and Jai Shri Krishna you must love all devotees of God."
here i would like to add that GOING TO SHIVA TEMPEL SHOULD NOT BE OUR ROUTINE .
as jignaben told yes lord Krushna is only supreme of all . and whole universe (including other gods ) is part of him. So as we are eating by our mouth only to feed our body and not feeding each and every part of over body. Similarly if we serve lord krushna there is no need to serve other god. But that doesn’t mean that we should not respect to them. If due to some reason if we have to go to the other temple then we can bow down to that god as a matter of respect and not in other way. We should not disregard any god, because they are ANSH of shree thakorji. Also we can perform some vaidik procedures like GHRUHA SHANTI or GANESH STHAPAN in marrage because shree mahaprabhuje has made AGNYA that we should not disregard vaidik procedures.
But once again I would say that every vaishanv should follow only our pushtimarg and should not go to other temple willingly.
If I have hurt anybody I am really very sorry. And do correct me if I am wrong.
Vaibhav
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Jigna
Pushtikul Elite Member - October 2003
219 Posts
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Posted - 22 November 2003 : 16:57:50
JSK,
Gopalbhai, I think you've received the right answer to all ur queries. It was agreed by all Gods that during Lord Krishna's birth, which Lord Vishnu will take. He will be given all their powers also and he will be the Supreme of all.
All the God's agreed and gave their power to Vishu who was born as Lord Krishna. So you see he
possessess the power of all Gods and is very powerful. So there is no reason to go and worship and other God as in Him resides all the power and grace. If we worship him alone we have achieved everything. So as a Pushtimargya Vaishanav even we believe in his Supreme power.
Vaibhav bhai ur correct in giving ur explaination.
Jignasa
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jatin
Pushtikul Ethics Director / P.E.M. June 2003
424 Posts
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Posted - 24 November 2003 : 18:42:48
Dear Gopal,
Just now i was going through all the answers posted by other members which was excellent and hope it will suffice your query....
As in question only u r telling that lord shiva is Vaishnav so whenvever you are visiting or passing Lord Shivas Temple Do the Jai Shree Krishna to him as he has First Vaishnav..
Second thing on Prasad - You can not take prasad of any other temple the reason very simple if you are taking prasad of any other God than you doing Anyashray which is not allowed by Pushtimargiya Vaishnav.
Pushtimargiya vaishnav has to have AnanyaAsharay towards Thakorji .
I Hope you got the answer from vaishnav members
If i have hurt you or i am wrong than please inform me
Jai Shree Krishna
Shree Dwarikadhiski Jai
Shree Sri Lalji Pyare Ki Jai
Jatin Malkan
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
1221 Posts
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Posted - 26 November 2003 : 16:08:19
Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,
We see two types of people around:
1. Bahu / Sarva deva upasak i.e. who worship more then one deity or all
deities.
2. Eka deva upasak i.e. who worship only one God.
Corresponding to the above sentiments of devotee scripture has preached
two
types of devotions:
1. Bahudevopaasanaa
2. Ekadevopasanaa
Worshiper of many deities believe that "Badha deva sarakha" i.e. all Devatas are equal. Such people could not see or even understand the difference between the Supreme Power Sri Krishna and His incarnations like Brahmaa,Vishnu, Shiva & other innumerable Devatas. They are short sighted. They look for the small gains. They achieve such gains from the deities they
worship. They feel satisfied also. They are happy. As their devotion remains in crude form, they neither can worship any one deity wholeheartedly nor can they contemplate worship as the ultimate life mission.
On the other hand, one who practices Ekadevopasanaa recognizes his deity as the supreme power. The deity he worships is everything for him. His single-minded devotion does not allow him to deviate anywhere apart
from his favorite deity. Being completely satisfied with his favorite deity he does
not feel any necessity to worship any other gods and goddesses. He cannot think about any other gods or goddesses.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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