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shreekant22
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 Posted - 17 April 2005 : 14:13:18
Waht is Vivek?Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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jagdish
Mover & Shaker Member
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Posted - 17 April 2005 : 20:09:06
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Waht is Vivek?
Jai Shri Krishna,
Please forgive my ignorance, Vivek could be simply speaking, The Intellect/Knowledge to make the righteous decisions (and hence to do the right thing in any situation)
Best Wishes
Jagdish
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Vasant Punjabi
Vice-President & Pushtikul Elite Member - May 2003
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Posted - 18 April 2005 : 06:58:31
Jai Shri Krishna,
This is what I understand what Vivek means
Knowledge (Gyan) is a means to achieve bhakti or devotion. True knowledge has to result in humility and "Vivek" which is the power to discriminate from right and wrong, only then will it liberate you.
One should always uphold the Prudence of Discrimination (Viveka)
All happening are due to His Will. It is therefore, the duty of the devotee to submit to His Will and to be free from egoism.
It is Gods Will which makes him do all works and brings happiness or misery.
A man by his own self is unable to do anything.
Vasant
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Vasant Punjabi
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Posted - 18 April 2005 : 07:16:04
Jai Shri Krishna,
Now anyone can describe Dhairya ?
Vasant
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anpur
Pushtikul Elite Member - July 2003
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Posted - 18 April 2005 : 08:28:21
Jai shri krishna
Sadvivharo nu ghadtar - Vivek. (vaicharik sabhyata)
Shri mahaprabhuji e Vivek dhairyashray granth ma 9 Vivek batavya chhe te svikarvathi budhi bhagvadiya bane chhe.
1.Jagat ma sarvatra sarvarupe Shri hari j chhe.
2.Shri hari badhu temani ichha paramane kare chhe.
3.Swami ane sevak na sambandh no vichar.
4.Badhu prabhunu chhe te apava prabhu samarth chhe.
5.Hu prabhu ne adhin chhu em samaji abhiman chhodavu.
6.Prabhu ni koi vishesh agna thay to tenu palan karavu.
7.Asamanya prasango ma hathagrah ke duragrah chhodi prasang pramane vivek thi karva jevu karavu.
8.Bhagvad karya shivay na laukik vedik karyoma duragrah na rakhvo.
9.Darek karyo dharma ane adharma no vichar kari karva.
Dahirya – Shri mahaprabhuji samjave chhe ke sauthi pahelu kam man ni lagani ane indriyo na aaveg upar ankush rakhvanu chhe. sukh ni pachal pagal thai dodvu nahi.
Lagani ane avego ni yatna sahan karavi te dhairya. Saiyam niyam nu palan karta sahan shakti viksavvi. Sahan shakti te dhairya. Dukho sahan karva ni shakti, bhagvan no ashray ane bhagvan mateno samrpanbhav ape chhe.
Dahirya dradh karva vani, sharir ane man na bhogo chhodva. Indriyo, sharir ane man prabhu ma jodva thi apo aap kabu ma avi jay chhe.
Ashray jiv ne prabhu no ashray prabhu krupa thi male. Ashray means prabu no adhar levo. Ane das bhav thi seva karvi.jem karva thi ashray sidh thay chhe.bahgvan no ashray rakhie tenu nam sharan.
Sarvatha sharanam hari ane sarvarthe sharanam hari nu rattan karvu.vaishnave thakorji shivay bija koi nu sevan pan na karvu. Bija pase kashu magvu nahi.
Prabhu pase potana svarth mate prarthna karvi nahi. Prarthana karvi hoy to te j karva ni ke mara thi aapanu sarva prakare such bani rahe ane mara adharma no nash thay. Prabhu ma avishvas thi prabhu no ashray chute chhe. Prabhu ma visvash drath bane tyare aapane dukh na sagar ne nidarta thi tari jaiye chhe.
Bhagvan no ahsray rakhi ne rahiye to bhagvadprapti jaldi thay chhe.
Edited by - anpur on April 18 2005 08:29:35
Reeta Patel
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 18 April 2005 : 15:34:35
Jai Shree Krishna
Thankyou for your great reply Reeta ben.
Now having known what is Vivek, can any one tell howmany types of aviveks (opposite of vivek) are there and what are they ?
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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shreekant22
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Posted - 25 April 2005 : 16:16:35
Jai Shree Krishna
There are four aviveks, they are...
1. To seek things from god
2. To be Proud/egocentric
3. To be adamant and
4. To be self indulgant, devoid of sacrifical quality.
Now, Regarding Dhairya, it is said....
Tridukham sahanam Dhairyam
(To be able to tolerate the three different types of sufferings is known as Dhairya)
Know what are these three different types of sufferings/dukh ????
Edited by - shreekant22 on April 25 2005 16:17:34
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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jagdish
Mover & Shaker Member
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Posted - 25 April 2005 : 16:40:25
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Jai Shree Krishna
There are four aviveks, they are...
1. To seek things from god
2. To be Proud/egocentric
3. To be adamant and
4. To be self indulgant, devoid of sacrifical quality.
Now, Regarding Dhairya, it is said....
Tridukham sahanam Dhairyam
(To be able to tolerate the three different types of sufferings is known as Dhairya)
Know what are these three different types of sufferings/dukh ????
Edited by - shreekant22 on April 25 2005 16:17:34
Jai Shri Krishna
Sufferings received due to our Karmic actions
- did something in the past and it results in something unfavourable.
An example that comes to mind is when one of the great Rishis was put in jail by a king and was being punished by being impaled.
ofcourse nothing happened to the Rishi and he did suffer it quietly. The King came to know his mistake and instantly begged for his forgiveness.
After this the Rishi went to Yamraj and asked him why he was punishd and had to suffer in this way.
Yamraj explained to him that this punishment was because in his childhood days the Rishi was poking splints in one of the insects for enjoyment.
To this the Rishi was angry because what he did was during the age of innocence and hence should not be held accountable for this act. Then he cursed Yamraj to be born on Earth.....
Sufferings received due to desire and attachment for worldly/materialistic things
- not having this or that ... addiction to coffee/tea (not having gives headaches), no car, no money etc etc ?
Sufferings received due to divine interactions
- such as Thakorji wishing to "play" with us.. or cause and affect of demigods and goddesses
- wanting to be able to do seva (or break in seva), but cannot for whatever reasons (such as being in sutak)
- genuinly and sincerely wanting to be able to visit the holy places, but cannot for wahtever reasons.
- accidently doing anashray ?
Please correct my misunderstandings/ignorance.
Best Wishes
Jagdish
Edited by - jagdish on April 25 2005 16:41:22
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shreekant22
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Posted - 25 April 2005 : 17:00:28
Jai Shree Krishna
Yes. Jadish bhai, you are right.
They are 1. Aadhibhautic, that is the ones suffered physically, by the Body.
2. Aadhyatmic, that is sufferings caused due to our desires and
3. Aadhidaivik, that is ones due to devined interruption, like delays in Thakorjis krupa on jeev, etc.
Now knowing these three types of sufferings, there are also remedies offered for the same. What are these remedies ????
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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jagdish
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Posted - 25 April 2005 : 18:31:52
Jai Shri Krishna,
Thank You
Although I had the chance to read up, this is from my limited understanding, so please excuse the ignorance.
1) Never compromise your disciplines or in your patience (dhairya ?) regardless of the uncomfortable circumstances
2) Endure anything, such as negative criticisms from people
3) Activities that are not engaged in Shree Hari/Thakorji should be renounced by mind, body and speech
Best Wishes
Jagdish
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nira
Entry Level Member
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Posted - 26 April 2005 : 07:19:01
Jai Shree Krishna,
A very good piece of information given, Shreekant Bhai and Jagdish Bhai...
Pls do keep posting such information so that we all can improve our lives...
Shree Yamne Maharani Ki Jai....
nvshah
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