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jayvinbhatt
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Posted - 16 July 2004 :  05:12:33
jai shree krishna

in pushtimarg apra thi shree yamunaji ne divo thai? and can there be so called yamunaji ni stapna? this is a question from one of my related friend, as they did this and were telling me so i was wondering if this was possible. along with the stapna and divo doing 11 yamunastak path and bhog everyday.

according to me i dont think so. please assist

thank you very much

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shreekant22
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Posted - 16 July 2004 :  10:52:51
Jai Shree Krishna Usually, when taking niyam to do samputi pat or yamuna pat of - no.of days - many times, one place the Chavi of Shree Yamunaji at a particular location were he/shewill do the pat daily, this is what may be loosely refred as stapna by your friend.

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jayvinbhatt
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Posted - 16 July 2004 :  18:17:33
jai shree krishna then what about the DIVO according to me i dont think in pushtimarg we offer that to any swaroop. thank you

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bindi
Pushtikul Elite Member - February 2004


225 Posts
Posted - 16 July 2004 :  18:52:56
Jayshrikrishna, Jayvinbhai you are right the concept is confusing, as we pushtimargiya do not offer divo to any swaroops. though i have seen this in india: Vaishnavas have Shri Yamunaji's chabi (picture) in kitchen, more priciselly in paniyare ( where they keep water for the family) . Vaishnavs do divo here at paniare in front of Yamunaji & do Shri Ymunaji's arti every morning & evening, with the bhav of being at vishram ghat or thakurani ghat. may be this is considered as Shri Yamunaji's sthapna & that is what your friend is doing. it would be nice to know for sure that this practice is acceptable.

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jayvinbhatt
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Posted - 17 July 2004 :  04:28:18
jai shree krishna well according to what yo uhave explain it might be right but some Anyamargi vaishnavs perform shri yamunaji's seva also i think this is in reference to that. According to what i know we can not do stapna for shri yamunaji and not offer divo. doing path an dbhog in Seva for the SEVYA yamunaji chitra is a different concept. this is because shri yamunaji apre swaminiji na swaroop thi seva ma padrewe i think. and hamesha apra koi bhi swaroop ke chitra hoi should be SEVYA karela. please explain more on this as this thing is not understood by me. because its contradicting the principles of pushtimarg. and if its wrong we should tell the person who is doing to do it the right way thank you

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shreekant22
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Posted - 17 July 2004 :  13:13:39
Jai Shree Krishna I too have not hered of Shree Yamunajis seva. Usually stapna is also refred to the place in the house where the Chavi is placed. As per the guidance of Shree Mathureshbawa of Surat, in his guidance on performing the various paats, it is said that they may be performed in front of Shree Yamunajis chavi after lighting divo. Divo is not there in seva. but not all households have sevya swaroopa and not every body performs seva. Many households worship only the chavi of Thakorji, Shree Vallabh and Shree Yamunaji, simply by lighting divo and offering bhog along with their daily prayers. Edited by - shreekant22 on July 17 2004 13:14:51

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jayvinbhatt
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Posted - 17 July 2004 :  14:22:36
jai shree krishna well u are right shreekant bhai but if these households with brahmsabhad does seva of not sevya swaroop , the their seva thakorji angirkar na kare. and if these chavi is not sevya even is not Darshnya sevya then there is not point because in pushtimarg we can only perform seva of Sevya swaroop or chitra whether it being thakorji's,vallabh's or yamunaji's. well and as reference to yamunaji's seva yes you can perform it as long as the swaroop of yamunaji, or jal swaroop of yamunaji or chitra is sevya by that vallabh kul. but i dont think DIVO or STAPNA can be done in pushtimarg principles. we dont do stapna i think we do seva. please some one assist in answering this doubt thank you very much

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bindi
Pushtikul Elite Member - February 2004


225 Posts
Posted - 20 July 2004 :  00:47:06
Jaishsrikrishna, Jaybahi, i should have clarified that above explained prectice is in pushti houshhold where seva either astyam or upto rajbhog is performed. and in the evening in front of Shri Ymunaji divo & arti thay. there is no sthapna here. i am not sure if this swaroop is darshan mate pushtavelu hoay. and as Shrikantbhai said lot of non pushtimargiyas do do puja of Shri Ymuna devi / Shri Yamunaji's Aadhidevik form. Alin fact in vraj there are temples of Yamunadevi. But for us/ all pushtijivas, SHRI YAMUNA MAHARANIJI is Vatsalyamai MATA che je jiv ne SHRI THAKORJI ni sanukh kare che.

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jayvinbhatt
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Posted - 20 July 2004 :  03:27:11
jai shree krishna yes you are in what you have said. and in maryada even they do yamunaji seva and maryada people do stapna and offer divo not pushti. and as per we all know what ever swaroop or chitra you have in house and u want to perform the seva first and foremost it should be sevya karela which very important. even if its darshania,misri na sevya karela its ok, because toh thakorji seva angikar kare. Thank you very much

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pushtidas
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398 Posts
Posted - 20 July 2004 :  04:19:00
Jai Shree Krishna Jaybhai, More or less quite a lot is been said about the Sthapna and Devo. But what we all have to understand that Shree Yamunaji is PRIYAJI and as Priyaji, Maya will not allow to worship her as this is not what a PRIYAJI like to be worshipped and ignore her Swami. Shree Mahaprabhuji in Yamunastak manifests that "Stutim tava karotika". This is actual translation "That a Jivu does not know Thy Swaroop and hence cannot do your STUTI, hence The Yamunastakam is a media where jiva will do the stuti. Devi is a mariyada simbol and it is per vedas that if a devi is Vishnu Sakti then the worshiping that Devi one has to do a DEVO, so under that concept Shree Yamunaji is "Maya" swaroop in Pushti marg, and as per Yamunastak and various other granths do say that Shree Yamunaji is "KRUSHNA" and Thakorji is "Krishna". This means that Shree Yamunaji is not a DEVI swaroop and as she is not a DEVI hense no DEVO. Now regarding Sthapna, is again a mariyada bhav, and it is again taken in DEVI concept and sthapna is done in Temple (Mandir) and as Maya is KRISHNA and possess all the virtues like "SHREE","YASH" etc. so she is not a devi and hense no sthapna. I hope this will help to grasp the YAMUNA swaroop and the Pushti concept.

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vivekshah
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Posted - 25 September 2004 :  04:07:36
Jai shri krishna In Pushtimarg there is never offering of DIVO and sthapna of Yamunaji. yamunaji is prakat swaroop inthe pushtimarg. even to reach to the prabhu we rquire the grace of her kindness and the only Dooty (meesenger) to take us to the lord. and divo is done in maryada marg not in pushti. much more to write as it is along topic 2 discuss. jai shri krishna

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