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govindshah2
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Posted - 31 December 2008 :  13:30:13

    We know very well the Baithakjis. Baithakji's are of ShriMahaprabhuji, ShriGusaiji, ShriGiridharji, ShriGovindji, ShriBalkrishnaji, ShriGokuleshji, ShriRaghunathji, ShriYadunathji, ShriGhanshyamji, ShriHariraiji.

     Once i went to have darshan of ShriMahaprabhuji at  a baithakji. During the time of shringaar, PALNA was going on for ShriMahaprabhuji, at that Baithakji. I was not able to understand that concept. An AACHARYA-Dwij TanuDhari, How can we do palna?

     Please do share views for this topic.

mehtavicki
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21 Posts
Posted - 07 January 2009 :  22:13:43
Jai Shri Krishna

To my understanding, Mahaprabhuji and Gusaiji are a swaroop of Shri Thakorji. So we do palna to acharyaji with the bhavna of Thakorji at utsavs like Janmashtami, Ram Navmi, Radhashtami, Vaman Dwadashi, Nrusih Jayanti and other Janm utsav. We even do palna to our thakorji at utsavs like Mahaprabhuji and Gusaiji's utsav as they are swaroops of thakorji.

Please ask revered Gurudev for more information

Vicki

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govindshah2
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154 Posts
Posted - 09 January 2009 :  21:38:08

you are right that ShriMahaprabhuji is ShriKrishna Aasya (ShriKrishna Mukharvind swaroop). There is no doubt. Still 1 thing we find from vaartas that once shrinavnitpriyaji did gave orders to shrimahaprabhuji that i wanted to sleep with you. that time shrimahaprabhuji did vinanti that no raaj! it is not possible, Because in the Samaj, it will create a wrong impact.

 Just understanding this Discussion of ShriThakurji and ShriMahaprabhuji, we surely understand that ShriMahaprabhuji had taken birth on this earth as a Human with Dwij (janoi) Tanu (body) Dhari . ShriMahaprabhuji had taken birth as an aacharya-Guru. And in the whole of the life Aapshri had never wore any Clothes apart from Dhoti-Uperna. never Shripadukajis, never karna-kundal, kanthesari, nakvesar, kadas. Because ShriMahaprabhuji is a Guru - JagadGuru.

   Moreover if Shrimahaprabhuji wanted to spread the same thing that i am shrithakurji, then Why did aapshri gave ShriThakurji's seva to the sevaks? Why not own seva to all 84 Vaishnavas? Yes there were very few who did served ShriMahaprabhuji directly, as a Guru And as a Thakur. But not to all. Does these some thing imply to understand?



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govindshah2
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Posted - 12 January 2009 :  12:25:35

One Doubt :-  That is true that Shree maharabhuji has come to bhutal with a form (tanu dhari) yet we should understand the swaroop of Shree Mahaprabhuji is veraha tapatmak swaroop. and aapshree's pragaiya is from "AGNI" thus he is Agni swaroop. so even tho thy self has taken human body thy r in alokik form and always in intya lila. When shree navneet priyaji asked that he wants to sleep alog side, aapshree denined at firsrt but, when navneet priyaji, insisted as a child aapshree applied ittar on the body and then took navneet priyaji to sleep along side.

Solution :- ShriMahaprabhuji is AgniSwaroop. Still i would like to debate on this topic.

As we all know that ShriGusaiji had given ShriMahaprabhuji's name as ShriKrishna-Aasya (mukharvind of shriThakurji).

Also 1 name of ShriMahaprabhuji given by ShriAgnikumar ShriGusaii as Guru. Why ? Also When ShriMahaprabhuji had expressed the qualifications of being a Guru in Nibandh Granth, the next sloke Aapshri says tht when u dont find such Guru with the qualities which i mentioned, then Do not leave Bhagwad Seva, and consider me as a Guru.....................

First We should also understand the Swaroop of Baithakji's. What place we consider as a Baithakji? Then we should also understand that What is Shri Charan Chauki? What place we consider as a Charan Chauki?

Baithakji is a place where ShriMahaprabhuji, ShriGusaiji Prabhucharan, ShriGiridharji, ShriGovindji, ShriBalkrishnaji, ShriSarvada Sevya ShriChaturthkumar ShriGokulesh Prabhucharan, ShriRaghunathji, ShriYadunathji, ShriGhanshyamji, ShriHariraicharan had done padhramani during the bhootal parikrama and at that places Aapshri had done ShriBhaagwat Paarayan (not bhagwt saptaah like today we see). Which we get to know from Shri Baithak Chaitra Prasangs....
Means what ? these places are the places where the Aacharya balaks are residing as a Guru - Aacharya. And not as a ShriThakurji.

Charan Chauki is the place where Shrinathji bava resided for few time during the travel from Jatipura (ShriGirirajji's Shikhar mandir) to Mevad (Shrinathdwara, rajasthan). So at these places the services carried is as a thakurji's service and not Guru's service.



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govindshah2
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Posted - 16 January 2009 :  10:51:44

By doing discussion, we find many good responses. Here's 1 more discussion. One beautiful question arose.

Question :- We should not forget the different character of the baithakji at Champaranya (the one Shri Govindbhai is pointing to, without naming), it is the birth-place of Shri Vallabh! Here the 'baal-swarup' of Shri Vallabh cannot be neglected. If anyone of u've visited the baithakjis of Arel and Charnaat u'll come to know that Shri Gusainji is present as 'baal-swarup' in these baithakjis! It is only practical to do palna of a small child!!
 
Reply :- You had pointed out the best reply. That very much true that ShriMahaprabhuji at the ShriBaithakji of ShriChamparanya (2 baithakji's) were of childhood. During birth time. That is absolutely true. But Do we think that this system we should follow at all the shribaithakji's? Kya Dwarka ki Baithkji, JamKhambhaliya ki ShriBaithakji, vaha par bhi hum ShriMahaparbhuji ko baal swaroop se hi bhaje? kyu Hum vaha jaa kar Jhariji aur ShriCharan sparsh karte hai?

If we need to serve to Shrimahaprabhuji at Shribaithakji's as baal-bhaav then doing ShriCharan-sparsh will give the Swaroop Shram. Kitni jhariji hum Dharate hai jab hum Group mein jaate hai? will it be possible?


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Raas
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Posted - 16 January 2009 :  15:10:20
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Jai Shri Krishna

To my understanding, Mahaprabhuji and Gusaiji are a swaroop of Shri Thakorji. So we do palna to acharyaji with the bhavna of Thakorji at utsavs like Janmashtami, Ram Navmi, Radhashtami, Vaman Dwadashi, Nrusih Jayanti and other Janm utsav. We even do palna to our thakorji at utsavs like Mahaprabhuji and Gusaiji's utsav as they are swaroops of thakorji.

Please ask revered Gurudev for more information

Vicki


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Raas
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Posted - 16 January 2009 :  15:16:30

Sh. Govind Shahji,

I am very clear about it that we can't do palna of Shri Mahaprabhuji. Because Shri Vallabh already  gave us there priya shree thakurji to do nitya seva. So we only do palna of shri thakurji.



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govindshah2
Senior Member


154 Posts
Posted - 17 January 2009 :  09:31:23
Yes, that is what i wanted to say that Such Manoraths can only be done to our ShriThakurji, rather than ShriAAcharya Swaroop. Shri Mahaprabhuji ne kabhi bhi Apne ShriCharano mein Paduka dharan nahin ki. ShriMahaprabhuji ne kabhi bhi apne shri-ang par aabhushan-alankaar dharan nahin kiya. Still all this practice we find at today's shribaithakji's. Don't we think that we should come forward and request The ADMINS of these ShriBaithakji's that they should maintain the Purety of the AAcharya Swaroop........... Even the heavy Shringaars done to ShriAacharya ShriMahaprabhuji at ShriBaithakji's should not be done...............


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tarun gogia
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Posted - 26 January 2009 :  19:05:15
Dear vaisnavas i dont know anything about the doubt  there.
but an incident happened related to it wat i really like to share with you all is -
once palna was going on for thakurji in presence of gusaiji.
Beerbal said  to his Emperor Akbar "See how gusaiji is playing with thakurji"
but Akbar asked Beerbal to not to disturb him because he was able to seeing ----
For one time gusaiji is doing palna for thakurji and on very next moment krsna is doing palna for Gusaiji
So GusaIji thakurji and mahaprabhuji are not different but the same thig.
And sir the Baithak you are talking about, its responsibility will be on one of Gusaibalaks present now on this earth.
there is possibility that Maharajsri has asked mukhiyaji  to do like that. if it is like that, then we should accept  it as wish of thakurji.
request to all vaisnavas is that please respond to this reply so that i can correct  myself.

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