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jayvinbhatt
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Posted - 27 August 2007 : 15:09:08
Jai shree krishna
I have two questions and would like to know the reasons for it
1) Vaishnavs can not do shree Govardhanathji's Seva (Shyam Swaroop Sewa) at their home, It can only be done at Haveli's
2) Vaishnavs cant do seva of Balkrishna (one of the nidhi swaroops) which is bigger then the fist? Which means cant do seva of a Big Swaroop?
Can someone please explain the reasons as to why?
Thank you
Jay Jay Bhatt
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vivekshah
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Posted - 27 August 2007 : 15:30:17
Answers for the two questions is it is POSSIBLE at vaishnav's house.
yaadi aisi baat hoti toh goswami balak, vaishnavo ko (shyam) swaroop pusth karke nahi padhraate...
Am i correct......?
Vivek Shah
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jayvinbhatt
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Posted - 27 August 2007 : 16:56:41
Well i dont know about that.....Cause i have just had one experience about a vaishnav havign shyam swaroop.
But just wanted to know the details and explanation to the above question and whether the above is true
Thank you
Jay Bhatt
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jayvinbhatt
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Posted - 27 August 2007 : 17:01:49
Sorry i am referring to Swaroop Seva and not Chitra seva
Jay Bhatt
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vivekshah
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Posted - 27 August 2007 : 17:30:17
My rely too is towards swaroop seva only........
Jsk
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shreekant22
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Posted - 28 August 2007 : 13:56:16
quote:
Jai shree krishna
I have two questions and would like to know the reasons for it
1) Vaishnavs can not do shree Govardhanathji's Seva (Shyam Swaroop Sewa) at their home, It can only be done at Haveli's
2) Vaishnavs cant do seva of Balkrishna (one of the nidhi swaroops) which is bigger then the fist? Which means cant do seva of a Big Swaroop?
Can someone please explain the reasons as to why?
Thank you
Jay
Jai Shree Krishna.
There are no such rules as seva of Shyam swaroopa of Shree Govardhannathji or of Balswaroopa bigger than the fist cannot be done at Vaishnavs house.
In fact there is no difference between the seva prakar at a Haveli and that of a Vaishnavs home, accpeting certain aagyaas that are not given to Vaishnavs. As far as swaroops are concerned such a distinguishing factor does not exist.
We should remember that all the swaroops, accepting that of Shree Vithalnathji of dvitiya ghar and Shree Gokulnathji of Chathoorth peeth, and a few more, all the other swaroops seva has been performed by Vaishnavs only, and later many of these swaroops were returned to their Gurudwar as per the agyan of Shree Mahaprabhuji, Shree Gusainji and the Saptacharyas.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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jayvinbhatt
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Posted - 28 August 2007 : 15:29:43
Thank you Shreekant bhai
But from what i have heard........I dont think any vaishnavs performed the seva of shree govardhanathji , even the nidhi swaroop of shree govardhanathji the seva prakar was done by shree vallabh and and vallabh kul
Then Again you mentioned vaishnavs perfoming seva's that is true, But the nidhi swaroop of shree balkrishna it self is chotu swaroop size of fist, and not big.
Sorry i am askign this question cause it was raised by a vaishnav and answered by vallabh kul, So i just wanted to know what was the reason to it
Thank you
Jay Bhatt
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shreekant22
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Posted - 29 August 2007 : 20:57:14
Jai Shree Krishna
Jay Bhattji, If your refering to the Prakatya swaroop of Shree Govardhannathji, previously at Jatipura and now Biraajmaan at Nathadwara - Here in also the seva prakaar was set by Shree Mahaprabhuji, but initially the seva was being done only by the Bengalis, who were later removed by Shree Krishndas Adhikariji, and the vrajvasis were appointed.
There are many a homes were seva of Similar swaroopa, though smaller in size are Biraajmaan. In Chennai itself there exists Raaj seva of Shree Govardhannathji, in shyam swaroop, which is more than 350 years old, and the entire Ashtayam seva is performed.
Yes, very true that the nidhi swaroopa of Shree Balkrishna prabhu is small. One of the reasons why small swaroopas were prefereed and advised of during the times of Shree Mahaprabhuji, Shree Gusainji was the socio-political situation then - Muslim rule and domination across many parts of India. A small swaroopa ensured that Shree Thakorji could be easily aken from one place to the other, without being noticed by the soldiers. In fact, during those days, it was common partice to place the swaroopa in a very small jhapi nad hide the same inside ones Head gear - The term Mathe biraaje has its emergence form such a practice.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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jayvinbhatt
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Posted - 30 August 2007 : 16:29:01
Jai shree krishna
Thank you Shreekant bahi for the answer much appreciated.....
Jay Bhatt
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shyamdasji
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Posted - 30 August 2007 : 21:00:52
jsk,the reason very few vaishnavs have seva of shyam swaroop,because shyam swaroop's seva is difficult,ane doso gana che,thats the reason vallabhkul balaks give gaur swaroop seva to vaishnavs,secondly swaroop of balkrishna lalji is small,and seva of small swaroop is possible at vaishnavs home,it can also be easily accomodated and taken from one place to other,thirdly shyam swaroop gets kandit very easily,and if it happens so,ane bau apradh thai,vaishnav has to be very careful ,fourthly balkrisnalalji is small,he forgives vaishnavs apradh easily,while kishore swaroop /thats shree goverdhannathji ,shree dwarkadhisji,shree mathureshji ,doesnt do so,since lalan is small
his behaviour is like a child,child forgets easily,its crying at one moment and looking at toys it starts laughing,so easily convincable,but kishore swaroop is little hathila so lalan seva is easy in all ways,
vaishnav can do seva according to their bhav, of any swaroop ,but only remember apradh na thai,
jsk
for any mistakes forgive me,sade danvat in lotus feet of shree vallabh
shyam vajani
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jayvinbhatt
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Posted - 01 September 2007 : 14:05:59
Jai shree krishna Shyam Vajani
Thank you very much for the explanation that was probably the same explanation and understanding i had.
Jay Bhatt
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