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friendmonu
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Posted - 24 June 2006 : 00:07:03
Jai Shree Krishna!!
It's said that Shri Thakurji is in two swarups: 1. Bhatodharak and 2. Sarvodharak
Can we have further knowledge on this?Jai Shree Krishna!!
Regards,
Monica.
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shreekant22
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Posted - 24 June 2006 : 15:44:22
Jai Shree Krishna
This is my understanding......
1. Sarvodharak Swaroop is the Swaroopa that will do Udhaar of , Shower his blessings upon Everybody and Anybody. In Pushtimarg, The self formed Prakatya swaroopa of Shree Govardhandharan, Shreenathji is the Swarvodharak swaroopa. This fact is evident from the various varthas of Shreeji bawa.
2. Bhaktodharak Swaroop is the Swaroopa that will do Udhaar of , Shower his blessings on his own personal Bhaktha who does the sewa of the Swaroopa, and in Pushitmarg, our very own sevya swaroopa of Shree Thakorji Biraajmaan at our Home is the Bhaktodharak swaroopa. This is highlighted in the varthas of 84/252 vaihsnavs.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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vaibhav_shah
Pushtikul Elite Member - December 2003
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Posted - 24 June 2006 : 16:33:52
jay jay shree gokulesh
in some story it is said the shree thakorji has gone to one vaishnav's home so after returning shree thakorji orders to make new saamagri for him.
here it is said that bhaktotharak swaroop had gone to vaishnav's home and sarvodharak swaroop had taken first samagri.
vaibhav
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jigershah
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Posted - 24 June 2006 : 17:37:12
jsk
when we die our Bhaktodharak swroop will take us to nitya leela and then the Bhaktodharak swroop him self will merge in sarwodharak swroop
on british air ways flight to india i meet several vaishnavs who were very much willing to rush
to nath dwara and let some other family member take care of there own thakurji and seva
so i asked why you have to go to nathdwara
well to have darshan of shreenath ji
i asked again so who is this god in your janpi ji is he not shree nathji
and what right you have to compromise the comforts of your sevya swroop to rush to shreenathji
Bhaktodharak swroop seperets from sarvwdharak swroop and comes with us by the kani of
shree vallabh and it is our responcibility to take utmost care of our sevya prabhu
second thing i have heard (( o prabhu kyre darshan aapso ) vaishnavs saying this to there sevya prabhu
are this ppl blind they are sitting in front of shakshat purna purshottam they are enjoying the seva and darshan
what more they want all we need to do is just belive that
prabhu in out house is shakshat and not lalji or chitraji
sorry if i offended any vaishnav
jsk
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friendmonu
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Posted - 24 June 2006 : 20:29:30
Jai Shree Krishna!!
When once Shrijibaba was playing with Govindswami n it was time of Rajbghog ,
both of them went to Haveliji hurriedly.
There Govind swami said to Shri Gusainji that Shrijibaba was playing with him
when Rajbhog was offered to Thakurji (Sarvodharak) in Haveli.
So once again Rajbhog was prepared n offered to Shrijibaba (Bhatodharak)
Is that so that praying the two swarups is different although Shri Thakurji is only one.
Jai Shree Krishna!!
Regards,
Monica.
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shreekant22
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Posted - 26 June 2006 : 11:37:24
Jai Shree Krishna
Monicaji, my view is that in this case the swaroop being refered to is the Prakatya Swaroopa of Shreenathji himself, and Shreeji babwa is the Sarvodharak swaroopa, so in either case the Raajbhog was offered to the Sarvodharak swaroop only.
Shreeji bawas abode is open to everybody.
Were as our very own sevya swaroopa - The Bhaktodharak swaroopa, darshan of the sevya swaroopa is restricted to our own family members, known Vaishnavs and not for everybody.
Jiger bhai,
Your bhaav nad atitude is great. Yes. The Thakorji biraajmaan at our homes is most certainly Pratyaksh swaroopa of the poorna prurshottam prabhu. From my understanding, in the particlar dhol /bhajan what one is seeking is the anugraha of Shree Thakorji.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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vaibhav_shah
Pushtikul Elite Member - December 2003
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Posted - 26 June 2006 : 16:18:56
jay jay shree gokulesh
as per my knowledge in all swaroops there is a sarvodharak swaroop and bhaktodharak swroop .
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friendmonu
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Posted - 26 June 2006 : 21:08:35
Jai Shree Krishna!!
I'm sorry Vaibhavji but I think what u say is not matching to what Shreekantbhai says
1. Sarvodharak Swaroop is the Swaroopa that will do Udhaar of , Shower his blessings upon Everybody and Anybody. In Pushtimarg, The self formed Prakatya swaroopa of Shree Govardhandharan, Shreenathji is the Swarvodharak swaroopa. This fact is evident from the various varthas of Shreeji bawa.
2. Bhaktodharak Swaroop is the Swaroopa that will do Udhaar of , Shower his blessings on his own personal Bhaktha who does the sewa of the Swaroopa, and in Pushitmarg, our very own sevya swaroopa of Shree Thakorji Biraajmaan at our Home is the Bhaktodharak swaroopa. This is highlighted in the varthas of 84/252 vaihsnavs.
SO let's see what's correct.
Jai Shree Krishna!!
Regards,
Monica.
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shreekant22
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Posted - 27 June 2006 : 17:49:21
Jai Shree Krishna
May I furhter add, that yes, the Sarvodharak swaroopa of Shreeji bawa Bakthodharak swaroopa too, as we clearly understand from the many varthas of Shree Govardhan dharan.
However, It is only through the grace of our sevya Bakthodharak swaroopa can we attain the ultimate form of Shree Thakorji, which ofcourse is Sarvopari, Sarvodharak as well as bhaktodharak.
Now In such a perception, yes, one can say that all swaroops are bhaktodharak and sarvodharak.
I sincerely await more enlightenment from the many learned vaishnavs of this site and hope they will offer crystal clear understanding.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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friendmonu
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Posted - 28 June 2006 : 15:18:28
Jai Shri krishna!!
Thanks Shreekantbhai for clearing the doubt.
Jai Shree Krishna!!
Regards,
Monica.
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gopal
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Posted - 28 June 2006 : 16:26:17
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh
Shrinathji Bava Biraajmaan atpresent at Shrinathdwar is the Sarvoddharak Swaroop. Sarvodharak also means that will do uddhar of a single Bhakt also, But not sure that on which bhakt, Shrijibava will do krupa. So from Vaarta Prasangs, we find that not all vaishnavas were been done uddhar by the Sarvoddharak Swaroop, but only few jeevs. And most of the Bhagvadiyas were done uddhar by Bhaktodharak Swaroop, which were been given by shrimahaprabhuji.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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