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friendmonu
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Posted - 24 June 2006 :  00:07:03
Jai Shree Krishna!!

It's said that Shri Thakurji is in two swarups:
   
    1.    Bhatodharak     and
   
    2.    Sarvodharak

Can we have further knowledge on this?

Jai Shree Krishna!!

Regards,

Monica.

shreekant22
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Posted - 24 June 2006 :  15:44:22

Jai Shree Krishna

This is my understanding......

1. Sarvodharak Swaroop is the Swaroopa that will do Udhaar of , Shower his blessings upon Everybody and Anybody. In Pushtimarg, The self formed Prakatya swaroopa of Shree Govardhandharan, Shreenathji is the Swarvodharak swaroopa. This fact is evident from the various varthas of Shreeji bawa.

2. Bhaktodharak Swaroop is the Swaroopa that will do Udhaar of , Shower his blessings on his own personal Bhaktha who does the sewa of  the Swaroopa, and in Pushitmarg, our very own sevya swaroopa of Shree Thakorji Biraajmaan at our Home is the Bhaktodharak swaroopa. This is highlighted in the varthas of 84/252 vaihsnavs.



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vaibhav_shah
Pushtikul Elite Member - December 2003


270 Posts
Posted - 24 June 2006 :  16:33:52

jay jay shree gokulesh

in some story it is said the shree thakorji has gone to one vaishnav's home so after returning shree thakorji orders to make new saamagri for him.

here it is said that bhaktotharak swaroop had gone to vaishnav's home and sarvodharak swaroop had taken first samagri.

vaibhav



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jigershah
Senior Member


215 Posts
Posted - 24 June 2006 :  17:37:12

jsk

when we die our Bhaktodharak swroop will take us to nitya leela and then the Bhaktodharak swroop him self will merge in sarwodharak   swroop

on british air ways flight to india i meet several vaishnavs who were very much willing to rush

to nath dwara and let some other family member take care of there own thakurji and seva

so i asked  why you have to go to nathdwara

well to have darshan of shreenath ji

i asked again so who is this god in your  janpi ji   is he not shree nathji

and what right  you have to compromise the comforts of your sevya swroop to rush to shreenathji

Bhaktodharak swroop seperets from sarvwdharak swroop and comes with us by the kani of

shree vallabh and it is our responcibility to take utmost care of our sevya   prabhu

second thing i have heard   (( o prabhu   kyre darshan aapso ) vaishnavs saying this to there sevya prabhu

are this ppl blind they are sitting in front of shakshat   purna purshottam  they are enjoying the seva and darshan

what more they want   all we need to do is just belive that

prabhu in out house is shakshat  and   not lalji or chitraji

sorry if i offended  any vaishnav 

jsk



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friendmonu
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Posted - 24 June 2006 :  20:29:30
Jai Shree Krishna!!

When once Shrijibaba was playing with Govindswami n it was time of Rajbghog ,

both of them went to Haveliji hurriedly.

There Govind swami said to Shri Gusainji that Shrijibaba was playing with him

when Rajbhog was offered to Thakurji (Sarvodharak) in Haveli.

So once again Rajbhog was prepared n offered to Shrijibaba (Bhatodharak)

Is that so that praying the two swarups is different although Shri Thakurji is only one.

Jai Shree Krishna!!

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shreekant22
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Posted - 26 June 2006 :  11:37:24

Jai Shree Krishna

Monicaji, my view is that in this case the swaroop being refered to is the Prakatya Swaroopa of Shreenathji himself, and Shreeji babwa is the Sarvodharak swaroopa, so in either case the Raajbhog was offered to the Sarvodharak swaroop only. 

Shreeji bawas abode is open to everybody.

Were as our very own sevya swaroopa - The Bhaktodharak swaroopa, darshan of the sevya swaroopa is restricted to our own family members, known Vaishnavs and not for everybody.

Jiger bhai,

Your bhaav nad atitude is great. Yes. The Thakorji biraajmaan at our homes is most certainly Pratyaksh swaroopa of the poorna prurshottam prabhu. From my understanding, in the particlar dhol /bhajan what one is seeking is the anugraha of Shree Thakorji.



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vaibhav_shah
Pushtikul Elite Member - December 2003


270 Posts
Posted - 26 June 2006 :  16:18:56

jay jay shree gokulesh

as per my knowledge in all swaroops there is a sarvodharak swaroop and bhaktodharak swroop .

 



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friendmonu
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Posted - 26 June 2006 :  21:08:35
Jai Shree Krishna!!

I'm sorry Vaibhavji but I think what u say is not matching to what Shreekantbhai says

1. Sarvodharak Swaroop is the Swaroopa that will do Udhaar of , Shower his blessings upon Everybody and Anybody. In Pushtimarg, The self formed Prakatya swaroopa of Shree Govardhandharan, Shreenathji is the Swarvodharak swaroopa. This fact is evident from the various varthas of Shreeji bawa.

2. Bhaktodharak Swaroop is the Swaroopa that will do Udhaar of , Shower his blessings on his own personal Bhaktha who does the sewa of  the Swaroopa, and in Pushitmarg, our very own sevya swaroopa of Shree Thakorji Biraajmaan at our Home is the Bhaktodharak swaroopa. This is highlighted in the varthas of 84/252 vaihsnavs.

SO let's see what's correct.

Jai Shree Krishna!!

Regards,

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shreekant22
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Posted - 27 June 2006 :  17:49:21

Jai Shree Krishna

May I furhter add, that yes, the Sarvodharak swaroopa of Shreeji bawa Bakthodharak swaroopa too, as we clearly understand from the many varthas of Shree Govardhan dharan.

However, It is only through the grace of our sevya Bakthodharak swaroopa can we attain the ultimate form of Shree Thakorji, which ofcourse is Sarvopari, Sarvodharak as well as bhaktodharak.

Now In such a perception, yes, one can say that all swaroops are bhaktodharak and sarvodharak.

I sincerely await more enlightenment from the many learned vaishnavs of this site and hope they will offer crystal clear understanding.



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friendmonu
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Posted - 28 June 2006 :  15:18:28
Jai Shri krishna!!

Thanks Shreekantbhai for clearing the doubt.

Jai Shree Krishna!!

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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 28 June 2006 :  16:26:17

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh

    Shrinathji Bava Biraajmaan atpresent at Shrinathdwar is the Sarvoddharak Swaroop. Sarvodharak also means that will do uddhar of a single Bhakt also, But not sure that on which bhakt, Shrijibava will do krupa. So from Vaarta Prasangs, we find that not all vaishnavas were been done uddhar by the Sarvoddharak Swaroop, but only few jeevs. And most of the Bhagvadiyas were done uddhar by Bhaktodharak Swaroop, which were been given by shrimahaprabhuji.



Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

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