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friendmonu
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Posted - 20 June 2006 :  17:00:41
Jai Shree Krishna!!

We all know  Ajamil had done many sins. Then just keeping his son's name 'Narayan' he use to indirectly call Thakurji's name. And this act fortunately was his way for sadgati.

In one varta there was a man who wished to take an exam that people say if u r vaishnav then Thakurji will look after u though u do anything. So he became vaishnav n started doing all sins then too Thakurji showered His blessings on that person n gave him His seva.

So here Thakurji had done His krupa on such a person.

Whereas in some varta (I don't remember exactly) Thakurji talking to His bhaktas daily is angry becoz
he just thinks in mind 'What's this Thakurji can't even care for there bed'

So here Thakurji is angry with that bhakta who do's His seva n always behave accordingly but this is his unknown mistake n he gets punishment for this from Thakurji.

Why this happens that person caring lot suffers more than the careless person?

Jai Shree Krishna!!

Regards,

Monica.

vaibhav_shah
Pushtikul Elite Member - December 2003


270 Posts
Posted - 20 June 2006 :  18:36:50

Jay jay shree gokulesh

 

The story is one cat had maid shree thakorji's bed dirty and the amma (old lady) told shree thakor ji that  " you are the supreme power in the universe and you are not able to keep your bed clean"

 

as she was given seva as a das bhav and baal bhav and she should do seva as that bhaav  but she made a mistake of  laughing at shree thakorji.

 

Because of this shree thakorji punished her.

 

vaibhav shah 

 

 



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jagdish
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379 Posts
Posted - 20 June 2006 :  18:42:07

Jai Shri Krishna,

will try and put some thoughts forward. Hoping others will correct any mistakes and contribute further

Ajamil was a Brahmin who was bestowed grace by the saints who ate at his place, so he kept his son's name the same and there was one moment when his death was near and he saw the Yam-doots and Vishnu-doots and he became refined after hearing what they were talking about. He then spent the remaining of his days in pure bhakti....

To guess the second incident, it is possible that the person who was taking the exam was a daivi jeev and thereforw was advised by vaishnavs to become a vaishnav so that he can further benefit by becoming a more pure devotee and hence Thakorji kept the word of His vaishnavs and gave him entry to become a devotee with seva etc...

I think, the last part is about someone who was already a great devotee and knew all the rules and already had relationship (friendship) established with Thakorji. Therefore, he committed a dosh by even thinking that Thakorji cannot look after his own bed. Because the devotee forgot his daas bhaav and for that moment did not show deenta, and allowed arrogance/ego to come in between him and Thakorji and hence even dared to think such thoughts, which is a dosh. Thakorji showed anger and said something like.. "who is the daas, you or me?"  The devotee instantly realised his mistake....

Edited by - jagdish on 20 June 2006 19:34:09

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friendmonu
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280 Posts
Posted - 21 June 2006 :  17:36:16
Jai Shri Krishna!!

Thanks for elaborating the incidents once again.

But the question remains unanswered why this happened?

Jai Shree Krishna!!

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jagdish
Mover & Shaker Member


379 Posts
Posted - 21 June 2006 :  22:37:44

Jai Shri Krishna,

As per my limited understanding.....if i can use an example of parents/teacher and students/children...

The teacher will treat the students according to their capability/understanding/expertise and the teacher will know how good the student is. Also whether the student is in which standard/level - primary school student will not have the same kind of indepth knowledge as secondary school and likewise college student and university student.

So if the student in primary school behaves in a certain way then the teacher will "punish" that student knowing their ability. But if a university/college student behaves like the primary school student then the teacher would have to be more severe in delivering the punishment ?

Likewise in order to promote the primary school student into secondary and college and so on, the teacher will encourage the student by giving different kinds of "gifts" or encouragements, like good/positive words and moral support. These same kind of  "gifts" are not required by a university student.

The parents will not punish a baby child in the same way they would punish a teenager....and likewise they will not give the same kind of encouragement to a baby that they would to a teenager

So, it may be possible to say that Thakorji treats different 'types' of devotees in an appropriate way which is always best for that particular devotee.

The last example of the Bhagvadiya devotee who was already experiencing and talking with Thakorji is like the University or PHD student, who is supposed to know everything and much more than what can be expected from a school/college student is supposed to know,  i.e., firstly we are daas and then any other relationship that Thakorji chooses to bestow upon us and even in that relationship the daas-bhaav should be prominent. 

Best Wishes
Jagdish

 



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dadaji
Senior Member


240 Posts
Posted - 22 June 2006 :  09:13:22
Jai Jai Shree Gokulesh,

Very nice explanation.

Haripriya.

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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004


1853 Posts
Posted - 22 June 2006 :  13:01:16

Jai Shree Krishna

Monicaji, The following are my thoughts, which I hope clarify your query....

Ajamil was not a pushtijeev (The other story of Shree Thakorji not conversing with the Vaishnav refers to 84/252 varthas, that of Pushtimargiya Vaishnavs) and he attained Moksha, simply by utterning the name of Shree Thakorji. With this we understand and realise the devine power in the name of Shree Thakorji. The power of even prabhus naam is so much that mere naam smaran can give us Moksha.

In the second prasang highlighted by you.... It is important to understand, that we become a Vaishnav after the initiation by our Guru. And Shree Thakorji has promised to Shree Mahaprabhuji that all those who are given diksha of this mantra will become mine. Hence we see that in one of varthas of 84 vaishnavs, even when Shree Mahaprabhuji himself disowned is sevak, Shree Govardhandharan, still accepted the offering of Jalebis form the very same sevak, and when Shree Mahaprabhuji asked Shreenathji, Shreeji babwa told Shree Mahaprabhuji, you may disown him, but I have to keep my promise and will never disown him. Here in our relationship with Shree thakorji is because of our Gurudev. And Shree Thakorji, accpets us only due to the request by our Guru, and hence keeps his promise never ever to let go of the jeev.

Regarding the innumerable episodes were in we see that Shree Thakorji, for various reasons stops conversing with the Vaishnavs, we have to clearly understand that this no punishment but Prabhus krupaluta that he even in this is only moving us closer to him. Shree Thakorji is so krupalu that he never ever punishes us, but is always thinking of our well being only, and all his acts are only to help us in reaching him. To understand this, let us take the example of Damodar leela. When Ma yashoda tried to tie Shree Thakorji to the ukhal, the rope always fell short by two measures. These two measures are Ahanta and mamata. When finally Ma Yashoda is devoid of these two, Shree Thakorji readily allows himself to be tied to the ukhal.

Similarly, In the case of of the old lady Vaishnav, when scared by Cats fierce calls, Shree Thakorji tries to hug her and goes to sleep, and the Vaishnav thinks that Shree Thakorji being Poornapurushottam is still scared of a small cat, immidiately Thakorji leaves her and goes back to the Nij mandir and stops conversing and playing with the Vaishnav. In this case, Shree Thakorji inspite of being purnapurushottam, for the sukh of his baktha let her experience the baal leelas but when the Vaishnav percieved Prabhu as Poornaprurshottam, instead of the Baal swaroopa, Shree Thakorji immediately bacme exactly that and stopped giving sukh of the Baal swaroopa.

Similarly is the inicdent were in the Vaishnav thinks that Shree thakorji cannot even take care of his bed.

Also so in the case of the Vaishnav, who thanks the person for deviating the route of the road and saving her house, were in the Vaishnav says ... You have sved me.

And the most classic among them being the Raas leela incident, were in Shree Thakorji vanishes from the Raas, the moment the Gopis start feeling proud of the fact that they were playing Raas with Shree Thakorji.

In all of these incidents, Prabhu showers his anugraha on the Gopis, the Vaishnavs, bacause of their deenta, but when the very same deen bhaav is transformed into Aham or Mamtva, prabhu stops showering his Grace. But not to punish them, but only to let them be rid of these dual doshas, once and for all and attain Golok dhaam for his eternal seva. We should clealry understand here that it is prabhus krupa that he not only accepts us with our doshas, but also ensures that we be rid of them too, through his devine grace.  Again an excellant highlight of his Virudhadharmashray swaroopa.

Hope my perception is right and please do correct me If I am wrong.



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friendmonu
Mover & Shaker Member


280 Posts
Posted - 22 June 2006 :  13:26:18
Jai Shree Krishna!!

Thanks Jadishji n Shreekantbhai for the clearifications.

Still if there's something to be traced out then please explain it.

Jai Shree Krishna!!

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vaibhav_shah
Pushtikul Elite Member - December 2003


270 Posts
Posted - 22 June 2006 :  19:14:48

Jay jay shree gokulesh

 

Always we examin the gold and not other metel. and at the same time value of gold is the always high.

 

Similarly a pushtijiv is examined by shree thakorji

 

Vaibhav shah

 

 



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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004


1853 Posts
Posted - 23 June 2006 :  13:28:59

Jai Shree Krishna

Excellant observation Vaibhav bhai. If I am not wrong there is kahavat on the same lines in Gujrati, please do post the same too.



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purvi
Entry Level Member


46 Posts
Posted - 23 June 2006 :  16:33:25

jay jay shri gokulesh.

very good question monicaji and excellently explained by jagdishbhai. thanku for such a good posting.

jay jay shri gokulesh.



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