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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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 Posted - 03 November 2004 : 10:50:07
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
Can Chappan Bhog or Palna, or Hindola, or Phool Mandali, be done at Baithakji of ShriMahaprabhuji? If yes then where it is scripted in any of the Granths of the MahanuBhaav Vallabhkul Balaks?Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 03 November 2004 : 16:49:09
Jai Shree Krishna
These are Manoraths, and there are no specific quidelines for the same, for the very word Manorath means once itcha of doing the particular seva to Shree Thakorji, of course with in teh limits of Pushti Sampradaya.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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vivekshah
Entry Level Member
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Posted - 04 November 2004 : 05:25:45
jai shri krishna
gopal ji
Shri Mahaprabhuji is " MUKHARVIND" swarup of the JUGAL (SHRI THAKORJI & SHRI SWAMINIJI).
And in Kirtan also it comes "TEI YEI YEI TEI KACHU NA SANDEH". A kirtan by Chhithswamiji.
well thus it tells that Shri Mahaprabhuji AND Shri Thakorji are not different but they are same .
just their are like "EK PRAN DO DEHI", meaning that they are one soul but in two different forms.
and all these manoraths can be definately done at Baithakji anytime and anywhere.
Vivek Shah
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Vasant Punjabi
Vice-President & Pushtikul Elite Member - May 2003
1047 Posts
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Posted - 04 November 2004 : 11:29:28
Jai Shri Krishna,
Vivekbahi and Gopalbhai sorry to interfere as my knowledge is limited and kirtans that I have are limited seems you people have more access to these things then me.
According to me Chhithswami of Ashtasakha was devotee of Shri Gusainji and He always sang kirtans including ending with
TEI YEI YEI TEI KACHU NA SANDEH by Chhithswamiji
But now the question is he never referred to Shri Mahaprabhuji which you people are saying.
So please do me a favor forward me the whole kirtan where he talks about Shri Mahaprabhuji so I can collect something new in my diary.
I had to interfere as I need this kirtan
Sorry. Lets see who replies fast.
Vasant
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
1221 Posts
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Posted - 04 November 2004 : 11:36:52
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
Chappan Bhog of ShriMahaprabhuji at Baithakji, is unwanted orders to vaishnavas and making problems. Because if ShriMahaprabhuji at Baithakji is served with Purushottam Bhaav, Tei Yei Yei Tei kachu naa Sandeh" then vaishnavas should not be allowed to do charan sparsh and Jhariji and will be implemented with all rules followed during the mandir seva performed. And still not implementing this rules of mandir and allowing vaishnavas to do Jhariji_Charansparsh, how is it possible?????????/
Means at baithakji on one hand Shrimahaprabhuji resides as the bhaav of ShriAacharya (ShriGurudev) and now according to the seva prakaar of baithakji if aagyna of chappanbhog or any other manoraths like palna to shrimahaprabhuji, etc offered to ShriMahaprabhuji having bhaav of Aacharya Swaroop, and the seva prakaaf of also of so-type, how will be it possible? But similarly keeping the purushottam bhaav in ShriMahaprabhuji and having purushottam in GuruBhaav. But one limitations is clear that keeping purushotam bhaav in shrimahaprabhuji, be kept, but cannot be served as shrithakurji. Simililarly the swaroop of Shri.... being at vaishnavas house can be served as GuruBhaav but seva cannot be done with GuruBhaavna. This understanding is important and not only for chappan bhog, also for palna, hindola etc to ShriMahaprabhuji which today we find happening in most of the Baithakji's, which is the asiddhantik (illogidal -non ethical) for pushtimarg.
Explained by Pujya Go. ShriShyammanoharjiMaharajshri,(parla Kishangadh)
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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vivekshah
Entry Level Member
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Posted - 07 November 2004 : 11:40:32
agreed partially??????????/
Vivek Shah
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vinod
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Posted - 07 November 2004 : 23:04:28
Dear Gopalji
Jai Shree Krishna
Well, well, we have one Viashnav only agreeing partly, please enlighten the topic to its full capacity
Jai Shree Krishna
Vinod Savjani
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 08 November 2004 : 10:42:04
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,
Sorry vivekbhai, for not getting u fully. As we know that the Swaroop of ShriMahaprabhuji is the mukharvind swaroop of ShriThakurji and ShriSwaminiji, the tejomay swaroop. So now shriMahaprabuji we call as "Vastutaha Krishna Eva" means shrimahaprabhuji is shrikrishna. So now aapshri took avtaar on earth in the swaroop of laukik deh(body) and as a ShriGuru. Shastra has kept some maryada for ShriThakurji and ShriGurudev. ShriThakurji in pushtimarg and shrimahaprabhuji r both the purushottam. But 1 difference that shrithakurji is been served as the purushottam bhaav and shrimahaprabhuji is served as the ShriGurudev. So shrigurudev is for aquiring knowledge, siksha is the kartavya of the sevak and aapshri can be served as ShriGurudev Shriaacharyaji Bhaav. Simililarly the swaroop of Shri.... being at vaishnavas house can be served as GuruBhaav but seva cannot be done with GuruBhaavna.This understanding is important and not only for chappan bhog, also for palna, hindola etc to ShriMahaprabhuji which today we find happening in most of the Baithakji's, which is the asiddhantik (illogidal -non ethical) for pushtimarg.
If still confusion can be eloborated with this topic further also.
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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