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sparekh
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 Posted - 08 April 2009 : 16:18:36
jai shree krishna, thakorji pushti karawya nahi hoy. chatay 20 varsh thi seva karta hoy to ae sarthuk gunay ke nahi? jai shree krishna, swati
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friendmonu
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Posted - 09 April 2009 : 11:23:57
Jai Shree Krishna!!
I feel though Shri Thakurji are not 'pushtavela' if seva is done with same grace, same way n by heart the way vaishnav who is having 'pushtavele' Thakurji... then wherez the difference coz (if i'm not wrong) there is no special way to do seva of 'pushtavela' Thakurji rather than non- pushtavela Thakurji...if we start seeing difference in Thakurji as pushtavela or nonpushtavela then therez no sense coz wht He wants is seva by heart n grace n nothing else......
See 84-252 vaishnavs vartas many of them not even had Thakurji's swaroop or chitraji for seva but by heart those vaishnavs were serving Shri Thakurji residing in Shri Gusainji's Shri Mahaprabhuji's temple n Thakurji was coming to them to give darshan n take care off...
Here I dont want to criss-cross the fact tht when Shri Vallabhkul does Shri Thakurji 'pushtavela' then the Thakurji residing in their heart does also comes in our Thakurji (as I read in one varta dont remember no. now) . That trend has been set in our Pushtimarg n should be followed by us.... But this is path of grace so everything happens with Shri Thakurji's, Shri Vallabh's grace........ but till then we should do the best in waht we have (like here rather than thinking tht wht if my Thakurji is not pushtavela)
Seva sacha manthi, taapthi keval Shri Thakurji mate Shri Thakurji na sukh mate karwaye to sarthak ganaye!!!
Sorry if im wrong somewhere....
Jai Shree Krishna!!
Regards,
Monica.
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govindshah2
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Posted - 09 April 2009 : 12:21:01
Before entering to ur query, i m just taking to the basic understanding of the topic. Please do not mis-understand, just try to analyse the topic.
ShriMahaprabhuji in the Self created Tatvarth Deep Nibandh Granth has mentioned the qualities of a Guru.
"Krshna-seva-param vikshya1, dambhadi-rahitam2 naram3;
Shribhagavata-tattvajnam4, bhajet jijnasur-adarat. "
Seeking one who is devoted to Krishna's worship,
Devoid of hypocrisy and pretence as well; a Male;
The knower of the essence of Shri Bhagavat,
With reverence to him the disciple should resort.
Meaning : One should seek and choose such a Guru who is deeply devoted to the worship of Shri Krishna, who is free from greed, conceit, hypocrisy, pretence etc. and who has the knowledge of the essence of Shri Bhagavat-Purana, and one should resort to him respectfully. With the help of other writings of the Acaryas, above said clues can be elaborated in the following manner. One who desires to do the worship of Shri Krishna should receive the initiation after having ascertaining first whether the initiator is having in
him the following qualities or not.
1. The Guru[/b] as the bestower of initiation should be;
A. One who performs the worship of Shri Krishna in his own home in a
manner prescribed by Shri Vallabhacharya.
B. One whose behaviour and beliefs are not contradictory to the doctrines of
Shri Vallabhacharya.
C. One who performs the worship of Shri Krishna with the full conviction that
it is the goal in itself and not the means to attain anything else.
D. One who performs the worship of Shri Krishna himself with one's own
money & wealth as any ordinary disciple does.
E. One who neither asks for any cash or kind nor accepts anything for the
worship of Shri Krishna even if some people offer him on their own accord.
F. Should Be Nar - Male..
Before getting admission to a school, a student has to fill in the admission-form. He is allowed to study only after his admission-form is accepted. Similarly, to join any religious sect obtaining initiation, prescribed by that sect, is inevitable. Mantra-Diksha means initiation through the Formula. It has been laid down in the scriptures that performing any ritual without being initiated becomes futile and fruitless. Provision of the initiation in religious sects consists important motivations such as:
• Eligibility Test: This is the right time when guru[/b] can ascertain whether the
candidate is eligible to join the sect, so that no undeserving person may intrude
into the sect.
• Sanctity: The candidate may obtain sanctity in conformity with the established
tradition of one's own sect.
• Acceptance & approval: By the rite of initiation a candidate secures his place
in the sect. Now he is recognized as a companion by other followers.
Sharana-Diksha
(Initiation for resort)
The name of the initiation for entering into the Pushti-Marga is Sharana-Mantra-Diksha. In English we may call it “initiation through the formula of resort”. This Diksha is also known as ‘Astaksara-Diksha’ or “Nama-mantra-Diksha”. Astakshara- Maha-Mantra' is the Sharana-Diksha-mantra of Pushti-Bhakti-Marga. As this Mantra consists of letters, it is called ‘Astakshara-Maha-Mantra’.
A student who seeks admission to the second standard must have passed the first standard. Similarly, to get admission into the Pushti-Marga one must have some qualifications as under:
1. Of all gods and goddesses Shri Krishna is the greatest God.
2. No god other than Shri Krishna can uplift.
3. It is an unpardonable sin on the part of the disciple of the Pushti-Marga to go to the refuge of gods and goddesses other than Shri Krishna.
4. Trust in Shri Vallabhacharya and his system.
5. The fruitfulness of the life of the Vaishnava lies in going to the refuge in Shri Krishna and in spending life as His humble servant according to the doctrine of the Pushti-Marga.
If at least these five criterions are deeply rooted in one's mind, it will mean that one is eligible to join the Pushti-Marga. It is to be remembered here again that if one receives Sharana-Diksha, but at the same time does not give-up resort, worship, beliefs, rites, Mantra-Japa etc. of other gods & goddesses; such Diksha becomes worthless. Hence, being a Bhakti-sect, the renouncement of resort in other gods is indispensable in the Pushti-Marga.
To preach one of the prime duties after acquiring Diksha, Shri Mahaprabhu states in
the book of ‘Navaratna’:
Tasmat sarvatmana nityam, Shri Krishnah Sharanam mama
Vadadbhireva satatam; stheyamityeva me matih.
Meaning:Therefore, to show one's gratitude, devotion & regard, devotee should recite constantly & wholeheartedly the Mantra: “Shri Krishnah Sharanam mama” by keeping this devout sentiment in mind: “O Shri Krishna! Only you are my refuge”.
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Edited by - govindshah2 on 09 April 2009 12:22:19
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govindshah2
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Posted - 09 April 2009 : 12:27:02
Sevakanam yatha loke, vyavaharah prasiddhyati;
Tatha karyam samarpyaiva, sarvesam brahmata tatah.
Just as in this world everywhere, Servants' duty to serve their masters is known well; So should be done by one dedicating all to Bhagavan, Thereby all things being related to Brahma become divine.
Meaning: Just as servants' duty to serve their lords is known well and has earned recognition everywhere in society, so one should do one's duty to serve ShriKrishna by dedicating all to Him. Thereby all things, as they come in contact with the Supreme Brahma, become divine.
This initiation is also known as ‘Atma-nivedana’. ‘Nivedana’ means to make known, to declare, to proclaim. Declaration of oneself along with one's animate and inanimate belongings in the favour of Shri Krishna is called ‘Atma-nivedan’ the declaration of the dedication of the self alongwith those that are related to self''.
Initiation for Resort and Initiation for Self-declaration should be obtained from the qualified male descendents hailing from Shri Vallabhacharya only. Shri Vallabhacharya says in his work “Siddhanta-Rahasya”:
Brahma-sambandha-karanat, sarvesham deha-jivayoh ||
Sarvadosha-nivrttir hi.......................||
Meaning: By realizing the intimate relationship between Shri Krishna and the Jiva i.e. individual-soul, all flaws of body and soul are removed. They become divine. Some children happen to be very mischievous by nature but their parents do not drive them away from home. This is because parents consider them as their own. Parents' natural affection for children restrict them to do so. Similarly, how-so-ever blemishes we may have in us, but on our having made “declaration of self-dedication”, ShriKrishna considers us His own and because of this He accepts our service without minding our drawbacks. Here, we should always keep in our mind that there is vast difference between the un-mindfulness of Shri Krishna and our being faultless.
Jaise Shishya Guru[/b] ke[/b] lakshano ko ensure karte hai, vaise hi Guru[/b] ko bhi shishya banane se pehle, Shishya ke lakhshano ko bhi ensure karlena cahiye. Na ki keval shishya ki sankhiya badhanee cahiye...
Shri Mahaprabhuji ne Tatvartha Deep Nibandh me 224 shloka[/b] mein Shishya ke[/b] lakshan bataye hai;
" Sarvatha Cadharikrupa Na Bhavishyati Yasya Hi
Tasya Sarvamsakyam Syanmargeyasminsutaramapi "
Meaning:
Jin per Shri Hari ki krupa nahi hai, Unhe yeh marg saral hote hue bhi ashakya lagta hai.
Yaha Shishya ka Pehla Lakhshan bataya hai:
Bhagwat Krupa ki prapti Bhagwanki krupa jiva per hui hai yeh kaise pata chale? unhe javab hai ki, jise jis marg mein ruchi ho usse pata chalta hai ki jiva per bhagwat krupa hui hai. Ruchi hone ka gyaan Shishya ke vesh, vachan, swabhav se hota hai. Vaisehi Pustimarg pe chalne ki ruchi Shishya ke vesh, vachan, swabhav ke nirakshan se jani ja sakti hai. Vo guru ko baraber ensure karn lena cahiye.
Shishya ka Dusara lakshan Guru ke lakshana vale shloka (225) mein Jigyasu Shabda se bataya hai:
Jigyasu ke Lakshan;
1) Veh Satvik ho.
2) Yeh mera akhri janma hai jo vyartha na jai aise soch vale ho.
3) Param fal kya hai yeh jananeki Utkat iccha vale ho.
Jin per Shri Hari ki krupa nahi hai, Unhe yeh marg saral hote hue bhi ashakya lagta hai.Yaha Shishya ka bataya hai:Bhagwat Krupa ki prapti Bhagwanki krupa jiva per hui hai yeh kaise pata chale? unhe javab hai ki, jise jis marg mein ruchi ho usse pata chalta hai ki jiva per bhagwat krupa hui hai. Ruchi hone ka gyaan Shishya vesh, vachan, swabhav se hota hai. Vaisehi Pustimarg pe chalne ki ruchi Shishya vesh, vachan, swabhav nirakshan se jani ja sakti hai. Vo ko baraber ensure karn lena cahiye.Shishya ka lakshana vale shloka (225) mein Jigyasu Shabda se bataya hai:;1) Veh Satvik ho.2) Yeh mera akhri janma hai jo vyartha na jai aise soch vale ho.3) Param fal kya hai yeh jananeki Utkat iccha vale ho.
Edited by - govindshah2 on 09 April 2009 12:29:53
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govindshah2
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Posted - 09 April 2009 : 12:42:40
Now Swatiji, to your query.
Here above i had quoted the Lakshan of ShriGuru. ShriMahaprabhuji in the further sloka gives aagya that when u don't get such type of a Guru with such special qualities, then how the jeev will get in touch with Shrithakurji? becuase jeev is a sevak -Garbh Daas (sevak since been in the womb of his/her mother). So if the jeev won't do seva, as ultimate purpose for making guru is to go near to Shrithakurji. But if such qualities are not there in ShriGuru, then He/She should start seva on own. So as you said that since 20 years someone is doing seva, then it is good, atleast that jeev is doing seva.
But here 1 thing has to be kept in mind that it is not so that a jeev should live his/her own whole life without finding a Guru. when such situation has arosed, has not got a Guru, then He/She should search for the Guru of the qualities shown by ShriMahaprabhuji. And When he/she gets such Guru, then he/she should take initiation from that Guru, and again take aagya from ShriGuru for doing seva, and get the proper Pushti-prakaar of ShriPrabhu and again engage in seva.
But Most important thing, each one should understand, that every-one shoould not start doing seva without making Guru? Why? Because untill and unless a Jeev is so Curuious, cannot leave without doing seva, only Such Sevaks should do start seva as only Aapvaad (Option) method. This is not a Rule. Today most get engaged in doing seva, just for showing others that we also do seva. That is not the proper manner. If the ShriThakurji is not pusht since 20 years, its ok, the phase passed, and if a jeev feels now that he/she should get the right Guru, it is not difficult, if the jeev is so Curious to get ahead in this Marg. He/she will surely get the right Guru. And get the Swaroop Pushti.
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