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Bhagwat
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Posted - 05 October 2007 : 15:17:33
JSK,
I am telling you things as they are - not as they should / could be.
Ask the youngsters why they don't attend satsangs or read the plethora of magazines that are being produced by the sect leaders - too much "formality" and use of archaic words they don't understand. We do not talk the "language" they can understand. If you want them to come, you have to change, not they. Choice is yours.
As to why I have a copy right symbol - I don't want anyone to feel that I am speaking on behalf of any organisation or group in my articales. By using the symbol, I am clearly stating that these are my views and are hence personal to me. No one should point fingers at the sect or any satsang mandal I attend as a result of what they have read on the site.
I give credit where credit is due. If any vaishnav has contributed an article on the site, I put their name with it. If anyone sends in a picture, I put their name as the sender. Often enough, on other Pushti Marg sites, I see the same courtesy is not given to material from my site and as a result, I have had to use the copy right symbol.
As to modernisation of clothes - please analyse the wardrobe of Shri Nathji and tell me how much of that corresponds to Sarasvat kalpa ? Have you ever read of Shri Krushna wearing gherdar jama or chakadar jama or suthana, or any of the other things in Shri Maad Bhagvatam ? Much of what we consider as "Pushti culture" was the modern haute couture of Shri Gausaiji's time. Shri Gausaiji was brave enough to modernise to appeal to the masses by changing from dhoti upparna of Shri Vallabh's time to Chakadar jama of his own period.
Please don't misunderstand me - I am not saying we should dress Shri Nathji or our Thakorji in Versace or Gucci suits. I am saying however, that we need to develop methods and means of communications that find resonance with the youth and society of today. If we don't we will be left behind as a fossil, a relic of bygone age. Shri Vallabh and Shri Gausaiji reformed the old systems to appeal to their current social, economical and political realities of their times. We need to be brave enough to do the same.
Yours,
B
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Bhagwat
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Posted - 05 October 2007 : 15:41:07
JSK,
BTW Govindji, for your information, the very first page of the website has the following -
Welcome to the Haveli, ie the palace/ mansion, of ShriNathji. This site is dedicated to Pushti Marg, the Path of (Divine) Grace, as envisioned by H.H. Shri Vallabhacharyaji, who is the source of inspiration for this site.
With the grace of God, this site came about in the autumn 1996 and has since hosted millions of visitors, far exceeding any expectations of ours!!! We would like to thank you for your interest and Jai Shri Krushna (JSK) to you all.
Several Goswamies, including Shri Mathureshwarji, H.H. Indira betiji and PritiRaja betiji have expressed an interest in the site and have generously contributed their support for the site. Several of these are happy to communicate via email with anyone interested to know more about Pushti Marg.
HH Shri RaghuNathlalji has also been very generous and has given full permission to publish extracts from his PhD thesis on the site. Param bhagvadiya Shri Shyamdasji has given kind permission to publish his articles and extracts from his books.
Please note, I have given full credit to Shri Vallabh and Shri Hari for this site, along with due thanks to Goswami Balaks, Betijis, my Guru and other vaishnavs. My name is right at the bottom and only than as someone who can be contacted for more information on the site.
To insinuate that I have given "Apno parichay" over and above "Marg Pravartak Aacharya" is false and hurtful.
Yours,
B
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friendmonu
Mover & Shaker Member
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Posted - 06 October 2007 : 22:04:14
Jai Shree Krishna!!!
Had read the topic n seems that leaving d core of topic the conversation is goin on such points tht don't value so much... then in tht new imaginations r cuming ... especially
Tomorrow u will say that the new generation is not ready to see shrimahaprabhuji's chitraji in the Dhoti-Uperna, and wanted ShriMahaprabbuji to see in Chaddi-Baniyan..... How can we consider your statement. Pushtimarg is not a fashion, Pushtimarg is a lifestyle of INdian Culture. So let the youngsters learn Pushtimarg in its old tradition way only. May be the old cultured, But is the true culture.
I don't think such thing has been said by anyone everyone knowz whtz just n fine n shuld b said n done...... so is there any meaning in raising such issue n talking on it???
If respect is by heart n true then itz not to b shown off to others... coz the one whom u respect does knowz it well,, correct no??? Coz if u have to tell n show it to others then I think itz just flash n not by heart
N here itz for our Thakurji n Shri Vallabhkul (WHO R VERY DEAR TO TRUE VASIHNAVS) so everyone has ones extent of relation with Them as per ones closeness n d krupa of Thakurji n Shri Vallabhkul, So evryone do know in wht way n how much to respect correct no...
As per time scriptures have changed from Sanskrit n Vrajbhasha to Hindi, Marathi, Gujrati, English as per ease to understand them... but the core, teachings, meaning of the scripture has not changed no??? Then y this topic is being dragged like this??? With language the way of presentation may seem different but meaning doesnt no......
N r we gonna to recall all previous incidences on site evrytime in new topics::
And Mr. PRO Shreekantbhai, you all r getting ready to remove the persons, But u being a PRO, can't u just view through this points....
The Administartion body of site does knows wht has happened, why n wht shuld they do......
I don't thing I'm wrong in sayin this all....... I request all the very learned, Param Bhagwadiya n true Vaishnavs to pls stop this type of postings in this beautiful n spritual site which is meant for some very meaningful purpose n shuld try to emphasis n highlight for a healthy Satsang that shall really b a true n real respect towards Shri Thakurji n Shri Vallabhkul coz wht They will like is tht Their beloved Vaishnavs having very healthy conversation on the preachings of marg n Their leelas..... And not pulling each others leg n cing dosh of others or trying to pinpoint those mistakes... The 252/84 Vartas does say this no......
Jai Shree Krishna!!
Regards,
Monica.
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 07 October 2007 : 14:43:49
Jai Shree Krishna
Good Observations Monicaji.
Dear Vaishnavs,
It is frankly because of these very reasons that I had overlooked the abreviations made by PB Shree Shyamraiji in the begining, and proposed to take up the issue with him direlty, if the need arose.
However, when the topic went continued, and went to an extant that abreviations were the in thing today, and they ought to be accepted and adopted, it became too much to digest. Foreone who is moving towards the siddhants of Shree Vallabh, and trying to live by them, the present scenario of our marg is an issue to close too the heart, and what one sees on a day to day basis of sweeping changes being made to suit our own needs and comforts, it becomes too much to bear.
Hence it becomes necessary to put things under proper perspective and play the role of a speed breaker to the ever propelling, fast moving pointless changes being incorporated in the name of Pushtimarg and its ideologies.
I am of the firm opinion that if one wants to get into to the fold of the marg, he should do so by following it properly, in the name of propogation and making the marg acceptable to others, to dilute it is not acceptable, and to me refering to Shree Mahaprabhuji through abreviations is most certainly a dilution.
We should always remember thsi fact that while Pushtimarg is for everyone, not everyone is for Pushtimarg.
So follow Pushtimarg,
There is no need to make it PUSH-IT marg by accepting and adopting unthinkable measures to the liking of Anybody /Everybody.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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Shyamrai
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Posted - 07 October 2007 : 18:48:37
Once again i apologise for the use of abbrevaiations. My thinking was not only for speed of typing but also when people read JSK for example they do not read J.S.K but in their head they read it as Jai Shri Krishna so as Monica was saying the meaning is still the same.
Coming back to my original point regarding Shrinathji's Pragatya. Has anyone been to the place in Vraj. I am told it is in Anyor near Shri Giriraji and there is a small mandir there but last time i went to Vraj i was told by our gour that the place of pragatya was on top of Shri Giriraj itself near the mandir and was shown a totally different place.
Also i would like to be clear about the 2 mandirs on Shri Giriraj. One is Purnimals mandir which Shri Thakorji resides in at the moment with Shri Mahaprabhuji's bhaitakji i believe. What is the other mandir which is almost derelict next to it??
If someone can clear that up for me it would be much appreciated. Thank you
Edited by - Shyamrai on 07 October 2007 20:25:30
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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004
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Posted - 19 October 2007 : 16:52:33
Jai Shree Krishna
Anyor is the place were the house of Sadhu pande is there amd Baithakji of Shree Mahaprabhuji is birrajmman here.
Form the vartha sahitya too we are given to undestand that the Pragatya place of Shreeji bawa is atop Shree Girirajji. Shree Mahaprabhuji when came to Shree Girirajji as per the wishes of Shreeji bawa, he first stopped at the house of Sadhu pande and made enquiries. the rest of the sahitya I suppose everyone knows.
Shree Vallabha dheesh ki jai
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Shyamrai
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Posted - 19 October 2007 : 18:31:55
My understanding was the same that Shrinathji was found on top of Shri Giriraj with the whole story of Dhumar going there and the people following her to discover the Hand of Shri Thankorji, but also in Anyor is a mandir called the Gopal Prakatya Sthali Mandir. There are photos of it here http://www.vaisnava.cz/clanek_en.php3?no=186
This place also claims to be where Shrinathji is believed to have been found. With the red tilaks on the Goverdhan Shila as well i'm guessing this is not a gaudiya managed site either.
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kaminimehta1973
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Posted - 28 April 2009 : 21:51:01
if it is possible can u please any one down load this 2 kirtan in audio format .
girikandara mathi pragat thaya ap shree goverdhannath and
goverdhanvasi savarelal tum bin rahyo na jay
Kamini Rohit Mehta
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