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bindi
Pushtikul Elite Member - February 2004


225 Posts
Posted - 08 October 2004 :  02:25:36
Jayshrikrishna, Gopalbhai, i used to think what u have explained about seva, though recently i learned otherwise. we had a Goswami balak in chicago a wk ago & as an answer from a question from a vaishnav this is what He explained: It is ok to do seva eventhough Thakorji is not Pustavela, & one day Thakorji will acept (angicar)your seva, but we do not know when .however you have pushtavela Thakorji , than your seva is acepted from the ist day you start doing seva. just like in maryada mandir's before seva Pran pratishtha is being done, when we pushtav our Thakorji Shri Mhaprabhuji ni kani thi Gurudev chitraji or murti ma Thakorji nu bhavatmak sthapan kare che.

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pushtidas
Mover & Shaker Member


398 Posts
Posted - 08 October 2004 :  05:55:52
Jai Shree Krishna, I have also come across some Pushti Achariyashree's vachanamrut about doing seva without swaroop being Pushtaviya.But, in general all Vallabhkul do insist that a swaroop should be a pusht where Shree Thakorji will except the seva from day one. The other reason is that when a swaroop is being Pushtavawala, the Dexa-guru has to capture Gopi-jan-vallabh's saviya thakorji and swayam Gurum Vibhum to make vaishnava's thakorji's swaroop worthy of seva. This process is making sure that the chitra seva/Balswaroop seva is excepted by thakorji and the swaroop does not any longer stay a chitra or murti, in other words the pustavalu swaroop is no longer a chitra or krishna murti but changes from Bhautik dasha to Adhiyatmic entity, and becomes a Seviya swaroop which in turn becomes a sanubhav swaroop. It is more possible to have sanubhava with Pushtavelu swaroop then otherwise. Thats why it is very important to do seva of a Pusht Swaroop. "Krushna Seva Sada karia" Daso no das Pushtidas Edited by - pushtidas on October 11 2004 15:35:37

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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004


1853 Posts
Posted - 08 October 2004 :  11:49:05
Jai Shree Krishna Bindi ben your right. In many households where there is seva, (this is follwed in our home too)you will find individuals doing seva of Thakrojis swaroopa, that is not Pushtayela, however, apras is not follwed but suddhi is maintained. One of the main reason for this is to develop the seva bhav in the younger generation and also to let them understand the seva prakar including how to hold the swaroopa, the gentleness with which one has to offer snan, offering wagah to Shree thakorji without giving shram, gently palcing him on the gadiji etc. In short the younger generation learns the finer nuances of the seva prakar while performing seva to this swaroopa, and only when he/she begins to realise that the swaroopa is itslef giving him somekind of positive reaction, is he allowed to do seva of the Nidhi swaroop. These elements are not gathered or learnt over night and need to be practiced. Also this practice ensures that our Shree Thakorji does not go through any kind of shram for want of knowledge or experience of the individual offering seva. Hence, Manish bhai no harm with your seva. Pleaese keep doing it. One day when Shree Thakorji decides to accept your seva, he will himself make things happen for you to either have your own swaroopa Pushtified or offer you the same. Edited by - shreekant22 on October 08 2004 18:32:28

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pushtidas
Mover & Shaker Member


398 Posts
Posted - 08 October 2004 :  14:24:21
Jai Shtree Krishna If one has decided to do seva of non pushtavela swaroop then he/she has been already blessed by thakorji and hense what is to stop him/her to make that swaroop a pustha swaroop? And what about "Aap seva karey hari shikhva" etc etc? Daso no das Pushtidas

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manish1
Senior Member


239 Posts
Posted - 08 October 2004 :  20:02:44
Jai Shree Krishna, I think Gopal Bhai is also right. But others are saying is perhaps a bit more practical. And we start doing seva and develop some bhav, then for sure Thakorji might take us to the step of getting in Pusthela very soon. Thanks

Manish 
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maintlux
Entry Level Member


35 Posts
Posted - 11 October 2004 :  12:39:13
Jai Shri Krishna Thankyou to everyone who has contributed to this topic and i fell abit at ease now knowing that i can and will continue to do seva for shri thakorji. At first after your answer Shreekantbhai i thought i should stop doing seva, after some carefull thought and asking Shriji, i felt that what i was doing was right and hence i will continue, on the topic of the book, if it is possible will you please still send me the information, as i told you earlier i am not sure of what shringar or what food i must dharave for shri Thakorji on special events and festivals!! I live in South Africa where there are no other Vaishnavs that i know, or any information that i can get from anyone and when i do go to India i will have my swarrop pushtavela,so please i would really appreciate it if you could send me the information via e-mail or otherwise. regards Jai Shri Krishna Manish

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jayvinbhatt
Mover & Shaker Member


394 Posts
Posted - 11 October 2004 :  13:14:39
jai shree krishna according to to my knowledge shree mahaprabhuji has said that we have to do seva of pushtavela thakorji, if thakorji is not sevya karela then whts the point its the same things as maryada reet even inspite of following all the pranalika's of pushtimarg. even shree hariraiji has said( sorry dont remember exactly in what instance) but all the shops and places are full with thakorji but one will not be thakorji it self unless vallab sevya it. i dont intend to hurt you but what i reckon is even if you cnt do seva of thakorji according to shree mahaprabhuji's pranalika then just do thakorji sevya in other forms like darshanya pushtavela or just misri bhog na pushtavela because what ever ranchak hath pavitra kare apre thakorji angikar kare, but if not pushtavela then no point. the reason why todays vallabh kul balak says u dont need to sevya thakorji is because they know that it will be hard in todays wolrd to do seva of pushtavela thakorji for a new vaishnav and if your thakorji is pushtavela and u cant perform the seva thakorji ne parishram pare thats why they dont force anyone but it is recommended you follow shree mahaprabhuji's principle. sorry i didnt mean to hurt you but thats wht i feel

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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004


1853 Posts
Posted - 11 October 2004 :  13:47:08
Jai Shree Krishna Manish bhai, my suggestion is that inspite of the comments in the site, continue to do seva, as regards the riti that you have asked for i shall try and mail it to ASAP. However, when you next visit India, or when you happen to have darshan of any Balak Vallabhkul, please do the needful in accordance to their guidance. However, after that what ever steps you may take kindly follow as per the Pushti sidhant. Taking into consideration your vidambana of staying so far away, wanting to do seva, and facing the restirctions of our sidhants, no harm done in doing seva of the swaroopa as it is, though not pushtavela. For the Param sidhant of pushti is bhakthi, and giving precedence to Bhakthi above all, there are many inicdents in 84/252 varthas... One being that of Shree Kumbhandasji given agya to have darshan during soothak. Thakorji himself giving agyan to perform his seva during mentsrtual cycle... and many more.

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pushtidas
Mover & Shaker Member


398 Posts
Posted - 11 October 2004 :  14:36:40
Jai Shree Krishna I know I will again get into trouble for my outbursts, but, then I am of a belief that there is always a reason why shree Vallabh asked us to do seva and why we should have a PUSHTAVELU SWAROOP. It seem all the satsang on this subject carries one message that never mind what every one says about Pushti Marag sidhant and pranalika, but if it is convienient then carry on "SAGVADIO DHARAM". Wow, what a simplicity, and if we all do whatever we like because it suites us then why do we need to follow the Religious leader? There is no need to follow HIS teachings, just do whatever you want to do. In Pushti Marag only those jiva will come who has been designated to be, and not the one who decides that this is what I want to do and not what is said in sidhaant because it is not convienient for me. I am very strong about this understanding and vichaar dhara, we have to have Bramsambandh with Thakorji to achieve the Param Ful in PUSHTI MARG. To achieve this we have to do seva and of a swaroop that is being blessed by our Vallabhkul. Are we suggesting that there is no need to go into marriage ceremony, just choose your wife to be and do a practice run and if you have learnt how to become husband after this trial run, then get married. No pyare Vaishnava, totally against our social structure and totally against vedic rules and regulation. I for once believe that I have a sambandh with Brama and hense he is my PRAANNATH and nobody else and I am not going to allow a temparary prannath just because I don't know how to do seva? No, no and never. I am very strong about this.Pushti Marag is not for a trial run, neither a teaching arena for us to just wet our desire to be educated. We all know what "Aap seva kari, sikhva shree hari". Why was this imortal say lapped out into our granth? What is it Shree Vallabh saying here? 400 hundred years ago there was no Pushti granth available to all 252 and 84 and 78 vaishnava, did they go for a trial run on how to do seva? No, not at all, and I am very ashamed that in this yug where there is so much understanding on bhava and seva we are still thinking to be trained to get that bhava so we can do seva. Mine are harsh line and I will not , and never advise a vaishnav to be, to do trial seva and have dummy run in pushti marag and learn how to get bhava to be a vaishna. I am sorry, this is really not what Shree Vallabh wanted for all vaishnavas. Why did he say "Krushna SEVA sada Karia" and not "Bhava padhti Krushna Seva sada Karia". SAGVADIYO DHARAM is not a Pushti Marag and I really get upset when I see Vaishnava cut corners because it is not ANUKUL (convienient). I said in the beginning and I will say this again, I will be repremanded for this statement. But this is what I believe and I'm afraid nothing will sway this belief. Daso no das Pushtidas. Edited by - pushtidas on October 11 2004 15:41:51

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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004


1853 Posts
Posted - 11 October 2004 :  14:56:53
Jai Shree Krishna Do you have seva in your home, Pushtidasji?

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