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Posted - 11 May 2006 :  00:38:48

JSK Hitenji,

Mujhe lagta hai ki aapne mere posting ko theek se padha nahi hai, isi vajah se fir se copy paste kar raha hu taaki aapko padhne me aasani ho sake :-

I would recommend you to listen to the Agnya of your Gurughar and follow the same. The agnya of your Gurudev should be of utmost importance and opinions of others would not matter for that sake.

Yaha pe main iss baat ka hindi me rupantaran bhi likhna chahunga jiss se ki agar kisi ko English samajhne me dikkat ho to samajh paaye :-

Mera sujhaav yeh hoga ki aap apne Gurughar ki agnya ka palan kare. Aapke Gurudev ki agnya hi aapke liye sarvasva hai aur uss se badhkar kisi ka bhi mat aapke liye maine nahi rakhna chahiye

Yahan pe mai aapse puchna chahunga ki mainey aisa kya galat kaha hai ?

Yadi kisi vaishnav ke Gurudev ne yeh agnya ki ho ki Haveli me aana, satsang karna, darshan karna varjit nahi hai, aur Vaishnavo ne apni anukulta anusar isme sahabhagi hona chahiye to kya aap yah kehna chahte hai ki Vaishnav ne apne Gurudev ki agnya ka anadar karna chahiye ?  Kya apne Gurudev ki Agnya ke vipparit vartan apradh nahi hai ?

Maine yahi keval kaha hai ki :-

It has been tried hard to press that Havelis are not to be visited, but I would say it is a matter of the Agnya of your Gurughar and your Gurudev. They are the one who will show you the path to Thakorji and one has to always follow the orders by one's Gurudev.

 Jiska hindi me saral arth yah hota hai ki :-

Is baat par zor diya jaa raha hai ki Haveli me jana nahi chahiye, par mai yeh kahunga ki yah vishay apne Gurughar tatha Gurudev ki agnya ka hai. Ve hame prabhu ko prapth karne ka rasta batayenge tatha pratyek ne apne Gurudev ki agnya ka palan karna chahiye.

Aur mai apse yah bhi anurodh karna chahunga ki Shri Mahaprabhuji ne svayam kaha hai ki apne Gurudev ki agnya ka hi sadaiv Palan karna chahiye kyonki mujhme aur mere vanshajo me koi antar nahi hai. To mainney yaha pe kya galat kaha hai ?

Aur raha saval aapko satsang se ya pushtikul se varjit karne ka, to mai nahi samajhta ki aapne koi aisa apradh kiya hai jiski itni badi saja mile. Aur mai aapse yah bhi kahoonga ki Pushtikul me aaj tak hamney kisi bhi Vaishnav ko badhit nahi kiya hai, kyonki hum yeh baat samajhte hai ki pratyek Vaishnav me Prabhu ka vaas hota hai aur uss ke hriday ko thes pahuchana Prabhu ko thes pahuchane ke barabar hai.

Shayaad apne meri baat ka galat arth nikala hai, iss hetu se maine uparokt rup se spashtikaran kiya hai.

Pushtikul me notice lagane ki zaroorat pichle 5 varsho me kabhi padi nahi aur shayaad aage bhi nahi padegi. Vaishnavo ko yah samajh hoti hai ki kya likhna chahiye aur kya nahi. Haan, yadi koi Vaishnav kisi Vallabhkul balak ki Vaani par tippani karey to hum usey turant delete kar dete hai aur chetavni ke baad bhi yadi vah vaishnav kisi Goswami Balak par sidhe sidhe tippani kare to use hum varjit kar dete hai.

Pushtikul me kisi Bhi vaishnav ko Vallabhkul Balak ki posting par tippani karne ka adhikar nahi hai aur hum iss baat ko apradh mante hai aur zaroorat padne par aise Vaishnav ko badhit bhi kar sakte hai.

Aur rahi baat meri, to mai kabhi kisi bhi tarah ki debate me nahi sahabhagi hota kyonki mai aap sab jitna gyani nahi hu, aur mai keval apne Gurudev ki vaani par vishwas rakhta hu, aur mere liye mere Gurudev svayam Shri Mahaprabhuji hai. Unki vaani mere liye antim shabd hain.

Yahi baat maine mere pichle posting me sabhi ke liye ki thi ki apne Gurudev ko hi sarvasva mano, tatha unki agnya ka palan karo, unse badh kar aapke liye aur kuch nahi hai.

Yadi maine kisi bhi Vaishnav ko apni baat se thes pahuchaiyi ho to mujhe maaf kare, mai aapke bhitar ke prabhu se bhi kshama chahunga.

Jai Shri Krishna & Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh



Shri Vallabhadhish ki Jai !!

Anand A. Majethia

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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 13 May 2006 :  10:09:20

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,

              ShriMahaprabhuji founded Pushtimarg, and after Shrimahaprabhuji aapshri's 2 bhagwad aatmaj ShriGopinathPrabhucharan and ShriGusaiji Prabhucharan carried forward Pushtimarg. But ShriGusaiji was more prominent and the marg was carried ahead. Further the 7 Bhagwad Aatmajs The Saptaacharyas carried this marg. Moreover ShriMahaprabhuji is the Honour of Pushtimarg and what ever granths, rules aapshri had setted up, that was honoured by all the Aacharyas, and they wrote the commentries, on the granths, which shrimahaprabhuji and shrigusaiji prabhucharan wrote, as those granths were very very guddh to understand, and to make them easy the commentries were written.

        Now let we understand one example, In india, the biggest examination body is the Central Board of india, for primary and secondary education. May be Delhi, or Any city of Gujarat of even in South India, the syllabus of Central Board is same, and the exams conducted r same. As to pass on the common. Pushtimarg is Such Central Board, and the Chairman is ShriMahaprabhuji who has selected the syllabus, and due to that each branches of schools may be in delhi, gujarat, south india, etc. the syllabus is same and the discipline and also the learnings r same.

            Anyone following pushtimarg has the same learnings, which shrimahaprabhuji had taught and not the individual thinkings. Here in pushtimarg the rules only will work of Shrimahaprabhuji for any Sevak - Vaishnavas may he/she the follower of ShriChaturthpeeth, or ShriTritiya peeth or any other Gruhdwar, the rules, the granths, the commentries of mahanubhaav aacharyas/vidhvaans r same, It cannot change for any of the particular Gruh-Peeth.

Edited by - gopal on 13 May 2006 10:13:43

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

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hit
Entry Level Member


27 Posts
Posted - 13 May 2006 :  11:30:48
Jsk,
Mr. Admin pl. read again and again your both the postings. Sorry, par mai apana registration cancle karvana chhahunga, shayad mai galat jagah pe aaya hu or mai galat hu. Aapne hame itna field diya uske liye dhanyavad. Ye mera hi reading ( Shri Acharyajike granth and unke granthka vivichan ka reading) hai kisi Gurugrahki agna nahi hai. Hamare Gurudev ko kotikoti pranam.

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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004


1853 Posts
Posted - 13 May 2006 :  14:38:55

 Jai Shree Krishna

Guru has a very important sthan in Sanatan dharma, hence it is said...

Guru Govind Do u Khadey, kake lagu paay. Balihari Guru aapki, Govind ko bataaye.

Sometime bank, at this very forum, we had discussed regarding the Guru of Shree Naradji. I submit the link for the same....

http://www.pushtikul.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1329&FORUM_ID=1&CAT_ID=7&Topic_Title=Guru+of+Shree+Naradji+%3F&Forum_Title=%3Cb%3EDisscuss+it+all%2E+%3C%2Fb%3E

And hence it is very very important to have absolute faith in ones own Guru.

Gopal bhai, Thank you for your excellant example. However, I would like to also point out that the methodolgy adopted for teaching the very same syllabus is different at different locations, in different schools.  You can very well imagine what will happen if the CBSE were to even say that this is the only way to teach also. The entire system by know would have collapsed. So it is very important that while we follow a particular methodology for studying the subject, others follow the methodology prescribed by their Guru.

Akhanda bhumandal Acharya Mahaprabhu Shree Vallabhacharya during his very own time has perscribed different levels of seva  and different types of seva to different Vaishnavs. This fact is evident from the varthas of the 84 Vaishnavas. Were in we understand that while siddhants remain one, the methdologies can differ.

(Note: What ever mentioned here is my own opinion and my personal point of view.)



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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 13 May 2006 :  15:53:29

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,

           U r right Shreekantbhai, i took only an example of CBSE, where 1 is the main system and other schools following CBSE course . There r many VAllabhkul balaks on Bhootal at present. They r the principals of each school following the CBSE pushtimargiya system. The syllabus is same for each school, but may the pattern of teaching differ there in each school. SO far as the siddhant part the granth part, it will be applied to each and every pushtimargiya vallabhiya vaishnav.

       ShriMahaprabhuji is common for All the GRuh-Peeth Sevak Vaishnavas, Shodash Granths r common, 84 and 252 Vaishnavas, Sarvottam Stotra is same, ShriGusaiji is Common for all vaishnavas, Saptaacharyas r also common, then why difference in understand their Granths.? Their siddhants???? 

          HItenbhai, just quitting from one satsang mandal will not gain anything, because difference of opinion will be always there, IT doesnt mean that we should discard ourselfes, Try to learn the things, which suits us.

           



Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 13 May 2006 :  15:59:23

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,

              Here i have not mentioned the method of Gruh Seva prakaar for any of the jeevs, as it is the individual saadhna paksha.  Seva is totally different thing, but what about the granths, which shrimahaprabhuji wrote, shrigusaiji wrote, and the mahanubhaav aacharyas/vidhvaaans, explained them easily by giving commentries, ?that is different and seva is different. So don't combine the seva and granths sections.



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shreekant22
PRO - Pushtikul.com / P.E.M. January 2004


1853 Posts
Posted - 13 May 2006 :  21:31:22

Jai Shree Krishna

Unfortunately Gopal bhai, I am not as learned as your are, as regards to Pushtimargiya siddhants, and frankly speaking do not have the guts to go and ask any Gobalak that why He/She is going against the siddhants, if at all they are doing so. I see Shree Vallabh only in all of them, and beyond that nothing else.

I have today realised that I should stick to the seva of my own Shree Thakorji, and spend my balance time in his Chintan, in every possible way I can. With my very limited knowledge and miniscule understanding of the marg,  it is best carefully read and understanding the various Granths , as so beutifully being posted by the various Vaishnavs.

However, what is really hurting is that time and again, this site has witnessed indirect critcism of Shree Vallabhkul Vanshaj, at various levels. May be in the name of incorrect understanding and following of the Margs siddhants,  towards opening of Havelis, towards Manoraths etc. While such observations form the very Vallabhkul vanshaj are utmost welcome and guiding, to repeat the very same things by any Vaishnav is to my limited understanding incorrect, and more importantly hurting the feelings of other fellow Vaishnavs. However, some of us feel it is totally justified to do the the same, and hence continue doing the same, un mindful how they affect others.

The very pushtikul satsang hall has done a lot in moving me closer to Pushtimarg, but today it hurts a lot to see enviable criticism and repeated pinpointing of various differences. I feel humilaited to see the beloved Vallabhkul Vanshaj being fingerpointed at, if not directly, in a more tactful manner. 

I humbly request all memebers of this site to refrain from such comments at this Public forum. If any one has strong differences regarding certain issues, then one should, with due respect to Shree Vallabhkul, take it up directly with them at a personal level, and hence see their point of view.

Also let me clarify that this post is not directed towards any one Vaishnav, and more specifically not towards Gopal bhai at all. My apologies if I have hurt anyone through my above observations.

 



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dadaji
Senior Member


240 Posts
Posted - 15 May 2006 :  09:34:04
Jai Jai Shree Gokulesh,
Our maarg is dwidalatmak maarg..A great maarg by Shri Acharyaji...!! In this i will see a kind of shneh, jyare koi potanu hoi toj mithi nokjok  thai. Karela kadava lage chhe pan hoi gunkari.
Ho vaari in Vallabhiyan par...!!
Ya, prasad astu prasannata. Edited by - dadaji on 15 May 2006 09:35:55

Haripriya.

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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 23 May 2006 :  10:12:41

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh,

              There is a beautiful prasang in Nij Vaarta, and we all very well know that prasang.  Once it so happened that in the nij-mandir of Shrinathji, the samagris got empty and there was no money to purchase the other samagries. So the bhitariya came to shrimahaprabhuji doing vinanti that "raj, nothing's there in the bhandaar and it's the time for rajbhog, what shaal i offer bhog to shrithakurji?" listening to this, shrimahaprabhuji brought the golden katori of shrinathji bava and gave orders to the servants (sevaks) " go to the shop of goldsmith and keep this katori on debt, and bring the samagri for this time only, not more samagri...."

       Then the samagri was brohght according to the orders of shrimahaprabhuji, and then bhog was offered, after anosar., shrimahaprabhuji called the bhitariyas andgave aagyna that take all the offered samagri , now the prasad and give half to cows and other half in shriyamunaji, dont give to anybody else....................

          What is the bhaav behind this orders of shrimahaprabhuji????? Why prasad was not taken by shrimahaprabhuji and not also given to vaishnavsa???



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friendmonu
Mover & Shaker Member


280 Posts
Posted - 23 May 2006 :  19:08:14
Jai Shri Krishna!!

That was Shrijibawa's katori n the drvya was brought with it's credit only

n as per pushtimarg vaishnavs can't take or use Shri Thakurji's or Guruji's drvya.

I don't know exact reason (but it's not allowed that I know.)

Hence prasad was not taken by any vaishnav n offered to cow.

Pls correcct if something is wrong.

Jai Shree Krishna!!

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