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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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 Posted - 27 July 2003 : 19:33:17
Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh Is the Krupa, the grace of god same for all, or differs from person to person?
jai jai shri gokulesh Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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Vasant Punjabi
Vice-President & Pushtikul Elite Member - May 2003
1047 Posts
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Posted - 27 July 2003 : 21:50:02
Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,
God will treat everybody equally as we are all His children and He does not look if you are rich or poor etc.
But Krupa is in His hands and He decides what type and when he should give take examples in Shrimad Bhagwad His Krupa on Kubja was different from His Krupa on Sudama so he decides what is good for the Bhakt he will do that with His Krupa.
What ever God does should be considered Good.
Vasant
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malati
Junior Member
119 Posts
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Posted - 28 July 2003 : 22:52:01
gokuleshojayati
krupa of god for all equally as we are all children.god does not look if your any cast,poor
rich.but your heart should clear from dosh like
lobh,ahnkar,moh,abhiman,mad--------instade of
should live alaukik gun like anany asray,dinta,
daya,todo some thing for other--------like this
thakorji can give krupa to any man animal.chatak
has anany asray of swati naxtra jal so he wait
for it.and he sure get it.once ther was chatak
birds family. when chatakbirds parant became old
they advise there children you should not drink
a rainy water after there death.childrentold that
is ther any water on earth without swatinaxatra?
means they knows only swatinaxtr about jal.he has
not take smell of other jal.this is a anany asray
pativrata dharm.like this in our pustimarg any
ony one have sudh heart and follows like chatak
bird in anany asray he can sure gets krupaof
thakorji. malati.A.Majmudar.
malati
malati
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jigarmody
Entry Level Member
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Posted - 29 July 2003 : 23:59:53
quote:
Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh
Is the Krupa, the grace of god same for all, or differs from person to person?
jai jai shri gokulesh
I agree that all Bhakts are equally dear to Thakorji. Krupa is a very personal thing, and I feel it is realized differently by different bhakts as each one has different needs and duties.
In general sense Krupa can be said to be same for everyone in a way because when Thakorji does Krupa on you, he takes you as one of his own. You never have to worry about anything as he takes care of all your needs and your duties. But the means by which this Krupa is delivered can be very different. Like an example given before, Thakorji's Krupa for Sudama was he gave him a House for his wife (This was just to make sure that Sudama's promise to his wife to fulfill all her needs was kept). His Krupa for Gopis was he played Ras Lila with them as their wish was only to stay in his company forever. So the way Thakorji Delivers his Krupa is different but at the core level Krupa is the same.
Taking a day to day example consider a Father having 2 children. 1st one is say around 18 years and studying in University, other is 10 and in School.
Father's love for both is same at the core, but he expresses by giving Books to elder son and by giving a cricket bat to younger one. This is done just bcos the needs of the 2 children are different.
Please correct me If I am wrong.
Regards,
--Jigar.
Jai Shri Krishna
Jai Shri Krishna
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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003
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Posted - 31 July 2003 : 12:52:56
Jai Jai Shri Gokulesh,
If we take examples of Ajamil, Putna, Prahlad, etc. all these had not done the same work, still they got the Krupa from god, it spells from Shrimad Bhagwad.
jai jai shri gokulesh
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda
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malati
Junior Member
119 Posts
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Posted - 02 August 2003 : 23:10:52
GOKULESHOJAYATI
OUR KRUPA FROM THAKORJI THAT WE CAN BORN IN----
VAISHNAV FEMILY.ADHIKAR IS DIFRENT.IF WE SUFFER
BY ANY TIME.WE SHOULD BILIVE THAT IS AKRUPA.ONLY
WE SHOULD AASHRO OF GOPIJAN VALLABH.EVERY TIME
WE SHOULD KEEP SMARAN OF THAKORJI IN OUR HEART.
AJAMIL,PUTNA,PRALAD,ALL HAVE REMEMBER[RATAN]OF
KRASHNA.ANY BHAV TO KRASHNA HE SURE GETS MOX.IN
OUR PUSTIMARG WE SHOULD NOT TROUBLE TO THAKORJI
LIKE PRALAD,MIRABAI,NARSIHMAHETA,AJAMIL.THIS BHAKTI IS FOR OWN FESILITI.IN OUR PUSTIMARG IS
SNEHATMAKBHAKTI ONLY.HE CAN GET GOLOKDHAM FOR EVER
MARIADA BHAKT MUST COME BACK ON EARTH AFTER FINISH
HIS LIMITED TIME.HARINO MARG CHE SHURANO NAHI KAYARNU KAMRE"BHAKT SHOULD DISIDE FOR THAT.TODAY
ALSO WE CAN REACH TO THAKORJI BY ANANYATA,DINTA
AND PREM.MANY TYPE OF RICE BASMATI,JIRASHAL----
WE CAN DISIDE FOR THATWHICH IS BEST FOR TEST.LIKE
THIS WE CAN DISIDE WHICH BHAKTI HAVE UNLIMITED
FRUTS.PATH IS DEFFERNT LIKE SANDY,HEALY,SMOOTH.
WE CAN MANY TROBLE TO GO BY SANDY,AND HEALY PATH
TO RUN THE CAR.BUT ON SMOOTH PATH OUR CAR WE RECH
ESILY TO PROPER PLACE. LIKE THIS PUSTIMARG IS
SMUTH PATH THAN OTHER MARIADA AND PRAVAHI MARG TO
REACH THE THAKORJI. MALATI.
malati
malati
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dadaji
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Posted - 01 August 2006 : 23:30:19
Jai Jai Shree Gokulesh.
Ya, say Shri Thakurji is partial to different jeevs eventhough all jeevs r His creation. Like some r interested in their child hood to do bhakti, some at young age and some even start at old age. The krupa on young is not equal as to old as he or she is in tahel of Shri Prabhu’s seva. Some do for so many years and then Prabhu krupa comes and for someone even if started bhakti and krupa comes, why? Ajamil, Shishupal, Putna..even if were not in bhaktimarg and their karm is very disapplicable then also Prabhu krupa is there.
No Prabhu is really not partial at all. To explain I will give one example..3 ppl. started to write a letter.one wrote, date, address, respected so and so… and some matter and tired, another one wrote only date and tired third one wrote date, address and sub then tired. next day again they decided to continue then first one has to only sign it second one completed address and sub again tired and third one completed matter and tired ….like this in this birth someone has to only sign a letter means he or she has come out thro each step and some one just started ….We all very well know that our bhakti gets carry forward with us after death, aa janmama je karelu hashe te aagadna janamma malase…so krupa is same but when we start our bhakti is important and that gives us phal. For Ajamil, Putna, Shishupal we will have to go backwards of their birth.
Haripriya.
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Kadakiar
Entry Level Member
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Posted - 04 August 2006 : 13:33:18
Jay Jay Shri Gokulesh,
KRUPA == PUSHTI
POSANA TADANUGRAH : Pushti means POSAN, Anugrah
Krishna nu anugrah krupa hi pushti: Shri Krishna no anugrah tej Pushti.
Prasadastu swadhramavirbhav: Anugrahastu per dosana swikar:
krupa ek Vishesh prakar no Bhagwad dharma che:
"KALADIBADHAKONUGRAHAPERNAMA BHAGWAD_DHARMA: PUSHTI:
Bhagwat krupa ne koi sima ke maryada nathi:
KRUPA YE SERVADHARMADHARMIBHYO BALISHTA.
Only problem is the obstecle in jeevas life:
1) Kal
2) Karma
3) Swabhav
Ref: Shrimad Bhagwatji -SASTUM SKANDH - Sadharan Anugrh varnan.
AJAMIL - Karma was obstacle - Karma ni nivruti
VRUTASUR: SWABHAV obstacel (Badhak)
DITI PUTRO - MARUTO : KAL was obstacle (Badhak).
So think about Shri Thakorji's kripa.
Need to understand also : VARAN.
Jay Jay Shri Gokulesh.
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unnati
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Posted - 05 August 2006 : 09:23:33
Jai jai shri gokulesh
Rajendraji, Excellent explanation... just thought of adding a bit which was explained by Pustidasji at krishnaseva site for topic Bhakti.....
Shree Mahaprabhuji also gives us that assurance by saying:
Bhagvanpi Pushtistho na karishiyati lokikam cha Gatim |
God is very generious and will bestow his grace which will always be with bhakta so that all ramification and the worldly rankle (continue cause and sentiment and bitterness) of lokik world. And this is only possible when Atma induges in Seva and bhakti. Seva and Bhakti is the best medicine to recuperate, that is to recover from ill-lokik Maya. This Lokik atmosphere can exhaust atma's self confidence.
Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....
Unnati Kadakia
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jigershah
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Posted - 05 August 2006 : 19:44:03
jsk
kripa is two way channel
more you commit your tan maan dhan resources to seva of thakurji
more you will recieve his kripa
kind regs jiger shah
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unnati
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Posted - 07 August 2006 : 11:04:25
Jai jai shri gokulesh
Jigerji, Tan and maan i agree but For dhan???????? I dont think so...
As when we read the 84/252 vaishnav varta's we can know that they all were not rich but still they served thakoreji beautifully....
Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....Shri Vitthala Nam Vina Mantra Kya Thi Paou......Shri Vallabha Charan Vina Sharan Koni Jaou.....
Unnati Kadakia
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