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rupen
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Posted - 22 August 2006 :  04:37:03
Vaishnav Jai Shree Krishna ,

 

As stated above, normally vaishnavs use Jai Shree Krishna or Jai Jai Shree Gokulesh, whenever they want to communicate.  The usage has been integrated so much into our daily life that sometimes person forgets its mahatmai –moral behind it.

 

Matter of fact, many places in Gujarat , people use Jai Shree Krishna as an alternative of “Hello or Welcome” their guests.

 

Here is my input to start the discussion.

 

Meaning of Jai is Victorious or to win.  That tells me that whenever I say Jai Shree Krishna.  I want Shree Krishna to be victorious.  Looks like, there is a competition going among Davs and I want Shree Krishna to be victorious among them.  Not to forget, I am degrading my Thakorji by comparing him with those Davs. 

manish1
Senior Member


239 Posts
Posted - 22 August 2006 :  06:43:50

Jai Shri Krishna,

to my limited knowledge when vaishnavs meet each other they say "Jai Shri Krishna" with folded hands because shri Thakorji resides within the heart of every vaishnav. We are say Jai, or praising thakorji and perhaps not trying to add more votes for Shri Krishna.

the general greeting of Namaste within hindus at large, has similar meaning which says naman to the Paramatma or Brahman residing within you. In that case no particular name is being attached.

 But as Pushtimargi vaishnavs we know

Prakrutah Sakalah Deva - Ganitanankam Bruhat

PurnanandoHaritasmat, Krishna Ava Gatirmama

Mahaprabhuji and many other Dharam acharyas see that Bhram as Shri Krishna only.

 



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shyamdasji
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44 Posts
Posted - 22 August 2006 :  11:52:34
jai shree krishna, the reason we use jai shree krishna when we meet another vaishnav is that the one who resides in ur heart and my heart is only krishna and aini jai thavo (may he be victorious),the other simple reason is to make him remember about krishna by saying jai shree krishna, i would say another deeper meaning is saying bhai apde krushna sambandh che that is the first relation we have and then all other relations come in mind,but first bhagwat sambandh. the other main point is jai shree krishna we say as krushna smaran,ie in absence of thakorji, we should never say it in haveli in presence of thakorji,because he is there in presence and there is no need of smaran ,secondly u cant do krushna smaran to vallabhkul balaks because what is our hasiyat(reach to do bhagwat smaran to them),they r much more above us, it is due to them we have adhikaar to become vaishnav and to do seva and smaran, and guru is always at higher post always as he posses more knowlegde then us . i hope i could try to put some light, ,for any mistake shama to vaishnavs and in lotus feet of shree vallabh. shree vallabhadhish ki jai. , Edited by - shyamdasji on 22 August 2006 11:57:15

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rupen
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Posted - 29 August 2006 :  03:52:13

Vaishnav Jai Shree Krishna ,

 

Manishji and Shyamdasji, thank you for your response.

Agree with you, we exchange bhagwad smaran by acknowledging Thakorji presence in vaishnavs heart.  However, vaishnavs sometimes forget this basis understanding. 

 

Often large discussions were carried out on forums.  Good and healthy discussion is based on “Vaad’ (discussion) among vaishnavs.  However, because of egoistic human nature, sometimes such healthy discussion “vaad” gets transformed into “Vee-vaad” (conflicts).  And the problem is, in such Vee-vaad discussions, still the notion of greeting bhagwad smaran continues.  Do you think, Shree Thakorji can bear the taap –heat in the vaishnavs heart that this Kalesh had produced?

 

I want to clarify here, this topic is not pointing to any one on this forum or anyone from any other forum.  All my effort is to refresh our memories, regarding the exchange of bhagwad smaran.



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manish1
Senior Member


239 Posts
Posted - 29 August 2006 :  05:11:26

Jai Shri krishna,

as vaishnavs we are suppose to continue bhagwat smaran/satsang even if there have been some unwanted/avoidable veevaad or arguments in the past. perhaps they will even continue to happen.

in one varta prasang, there was a vaishnav who was I think living with a protitute and other vaishnavs mostly abandoned him because of that. But another vaishnav during utsav in his house, and ran out of some samagri ( vegetable). of all the vaishnavs he askes the first vaishnav ( who was still living with par stri) to go and buy the samagri.

the vaishnav felt very happy and bought the best samagri, and later all vaishnavs praised the prasad. thus the vaishnav who was having utsav in house mentioned, that becoz the other vaishnav( par stri one), had bought such uttam samagri with divine bhav, thakorji had accepted our offering.

he only saw that vaishnav is wearing kanti taken by Shri mahaprabhuji and treated him that way, we can also endeavour to do the same.

 



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shyamdasji
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Posted - 29 August 2006 :  23:30:25
jai shree krishna, u right manish bhai ,the vaishnav u r talking about is madhavdas and his vaishya,whom one vaishnav gave him seva knowing his true bhaav,shree vallabh asked him thrice to leave that vaishya but all the three times he said no,shree vallabh was testing drad ashray of madhavdasji,normal vaishnavs could not understand this but shree vallabh understood madhavdasji as he knew that the vaishya was adhikaari jeev and thats the reason madhavdasji had kept relations with her,and at no cost he was ready to leave her,and shree vallabh also said that when his asakti from her is over he would leave her and on no cost at that time he would agree to leave her ,so this was the reason. shama for any mistake from vaishnavs and in lotus feet of shree vallabh

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rupen
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17 Posts
Posted - 31 August 2006 :  02:58:16

Vaishnav Jai Shree Krishna,

And thank you for the responses.  However, Analogy of the prasang you used does not match the question in discussion.  In the prasang, Shri Mahaprabhuji was the moderator.  Or to view it from wider angle, it was moderated by vallabhkul. There is no question of having Vee-vaad, if it is carried out under the moderation of Vallabhkul.  But in absence of such authenticity, who will and how to draw the line between vaad and vee-vaad.

Not sure if it is appropriate to drop one more question here. 
What is “Mukharta dosh”?



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manish1
Senior Member


239 Posts
Posted - 06 September 2006 :  10:39:15

Jai Shri Krishna,

if there is no vallabhkul balak or bhagwadi at the sime to resolve the issue, then again it can be discussed or one will need to consult someone one who can resolve the matter.

but in that time also, is possible the vaishnavs can still continue with satsang or bhagwad smaran.

i think you are saying, if opinoins differ in terms of pushti sidhant, seva prakaar or what? but more than this other senior vaishnavs can only guide on this matter.



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dadaji
Senior Member


240 Posts
Posted - 09 September 2006 :  23:32:34

Jai Jai Shree Gokulesh.

The real solution to avoid conflict is to accept truth and sidhhant. If wrong traditions are passed on in the name of Shri Mahaprabhuji, slowly they become pranali. Like, in bethakji, now a days we see the shringar incorrectly being same as Shri Prabhuji. Conflict arises due to differences amongst who believe the traditions are correct and those who think they are not in fact the vaani of Shri Mahaprabhuji. To say truth is not a mukharta dosh.

  



Haripriya.

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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 16 September 2006 :  16:40:11

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh

    Absolutely right Smitaben, that the best thing is to accept is the Siddhant and that also of ShriMahaprabhuji, for a jeev to go ahead his / her life in pushtimarg. And if not want to accept the siddhant of ShriMahaprabhuji, then everything is just a fake. Just as we find todays in Baithakji's (rightly pointed by smitaben) that we now a days find the Palnas done to ShriAacharya swaroop Shrimahaprabhuji, ShriGusaiji, ShriGokulnathprabhucharan, ShriHariraicharan. How much is it worthful that these aacharyas on bhootal took birth as Dwij Tanu Dhaari and as an Aacharya (preacher) and not as a God?? No doubt that these swaroops r Purushottam, but had declared their limitations of being an Aacharyas??/

     ShriMahaprabhuji throughout life never wore even the Padukas in ShriCharnarvinds, and lived a very simple life just wearing Dhoti and Uparna, and now we find that Shringaars done????? Is this the Siddhant???? or own selfishness of just collecting funds to run the SHop of Pushtimargiya Institution????



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