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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


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Posted - 03 May 2005 :  15:30:20
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh

... What if one does not have Brahmsamand? What is the meaning of "SEVA" done without a Brahmsamand? Or is it even called "SEVA" without a Brahmsamand?

_ What if one does not have Brahmsamand?

Before getting admission to a school, a student has to fill in the admission-form. He is allowed to study only after his admission-form is accepted. Similarly, to join any religious sect obtaining initiation, prescribed by that sect, is inevitable. Mantra-Diksha means initiation through the Formula. It has been laid down in the scriptures that performing any ritual without being initiated becomes futile and fruitless. There r 2 types of dikshas in pushtimarg : - 1 > ) Sharan Diksha-naam diksha-astaksharmantra diksha & 2 > ) Brahmasambandh diksha-nivedan mantra diksha-samarpan diksha.

If a jeev of pushtimarg not willing to take brahmasambandh diksha is not a problem, as only this diksha is related to the swaroop seva. Both seva and brahmasambandh diksha has the simultaneous role. If no seva then no brahmasambandh diksha.

Just wearing garland of Tulasi in the neck can serve no purpose. Shri Vallabhacharya, therefore, says in the book of ‘Navaratna’:

Nivedanam tu smartavyam; sarvatha tadrsair janaih.<

Meaning : -- Meaning: The Nivedana-mantra, the mantra of self-surrendering, with total dedication, with its meaning & sentiment should be contemplated with the staunch, experienced and faithful followers of the Pushti-Bhakti-Marga.

Diksha-Mantra is like a map of the path of Pushti-Bhakti. So if jeev is not willing to have brahmasambandh diksha, then is no problem, can continue in pushtimarg with naam diksha. or sharan marg. The rules for naam diksha r

>>>> Must recite the Diksha-Mantra.

>>>> Must recite the sacred writings such as Sodas-Granthas, Shri Sarvottama-Stotra, Shri Purusottama- Sahasranam- Stotra etc. of Shri Vallabhacharya and of other Acharyas of the sect

>>>> Must study deeply all works from, preferably, one's own Guru or from any other learned followers

>>>> Must study Shri Bhagavat-Purana, in order to attain comprehensive knowledge of Bhagavan Shri Krishna

>>>> Must study the literature regarding the life of the disciples of Shri Vallabhacharya and ShriVitthalanathaji, known as “84 Vaishnava-Varta” and “252 Vaisna-Varta”. And in addition to this

>>>> Must stop all those practices like worship of other gods & goddesses etc. which goes against the principle and the object of Pushti-Marga

What is the meaning of "SEVA" done without a Brahmsamand? Or is it even called "SEVA" without a Brahmsamand?

Taking an example here. There is 1 dokari (old lady) who had her son, who is stayig far away in Foreign country. And this lady used to serve her son when he was in india, with what ever good things he liked. But now her son is at a far distance to foreign country, so she satisfies herself by offering food to his photograph and says " beta do eat this food". Now we can judge ourselves that a photograph can feed luakik balak who is a far distance . No will never be satisfied. Similarly Shrithakurji without pushted by swagurucharan will not have the purushottam bhaav. And it's license is to have the brahmasambandh diksha.

Edited by - gopal on May 03 2005 15:37:10

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

nira
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Posted - 05 May 2005 :  08:02:08
Jai Shree Krishna..... Gopal bhai I have a question to ask and request the learned Viahnavs to help me with the same. I just recently heard from one of my relatives that the Thakurji we serve over a long period of time gets pusted Himself without actually getting pushted from our Guruji....is it true? Can a non Pushtimargiya also get the same bhav that we have for our Thakurji?? Pls help... Jai Shree Krishna..... Bolo Shree Vallabhadish ki jai...

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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


1221 Posts
Posted - 05 May 2005 :  11:25:29
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh It is not so, niraben. Just i had given an exmple of a dokari, who serves his son, who is far away from her and only seeking his photograph as the pratkshyash. If shrithakurji gets pushted automatically if served for a long time, then what is the work of Go-balaks? Moreover it becomes only a kriya (labour work) if serving without pushted. till any food doesnt reach our stomach , our stomach will not be satisfied and stil wil remain hungry. Shrithakurji must be pushtted. Even if one member from a family is serving shrithakurji and has been passed to the other member of the family. stil that vaishnava had to take permission from their shrigurucharan and make on our head. Pushtimarg is not the only marg, where the bhaav is there for shrithakurji, even other margiya bhakts also have the same bhaav for shrithakurji, but there r some limitations and they only do pooja, and not seva.

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

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jayvinbhatt
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394 Posts
Posted - 06 May 2005 :  02:49:56
jai shree krishna nira ben your point is valid when a vaishnav has brahmsabhand and the seva of a particular thakoji's swaroop has been performed in the same house over years and year.......then that swaroop of thakroji becomes very krupara (sorry not the right term cant remember wht mum had told me hehe) because that thakorji has been in the family for so long like 7 generations or more

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Shrigokulesh
Entry Level Member


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Posted - 06 May 2005 :  16:15:09
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Jai Jai ShriGokulesh I am 100% agree with you gopal ... What if one does not have Brahmsamand? What is the meaning of "SEVA" done without a Brahmsamand? Or is it even called "SEVA" without a Brahmsamand? _ What if one does not have Brahmsamand?

Before getting admission to a school, a student has to fill in the admission-form. He is allowed to study only after his admission-form is accepted. Similarly, to join any religious sect obtaining initiation, prescribed by that sect, is inevitable. Mantra-Diksha means initiation through the Formula. It has been laid down in the scriptures that performing any ritual without being initiated becomes futile and fruitless. There r 2 types of dikshas in pushtimarg : - 1 > ) Sharan Diksha-naam diksha-astaksharmantra diksha & 2 > ) Brahmasambandh diksha-nivedan mantra diksha-samarpan diksha.

If a jeev of pushtimarg not willing to take brahmasambandh diksha is not a problem, as only this diksha is related to the swaroop seva. Both seva and brahmasambandh diksha has the simultaneous role. If no seva then no brahmasambandh diksha. Just wearing garland of Tulasi in the neck can serve no purpose. Shri Vallabhacharya, therefore, says in the book of ‘Navaratna’:

Nivedanam tu smartavyam; sarvatha tadrsair janaih.<

Meaning : -- Meaning: The Nivedana-mantra, the mantra of self-surrendering, with total dedication, with its meaning & sentiment should be contemplated with the staunch, experienced and faithful followers of the Pushti-Bhakti-Marga. Diksha-Mantra is like a map of the path of Pushti-Bhakti. So if jeev is not willing to have brahmasambandh diksha, then is no problem, can continue in pushtimarg with naam diksha. or sharan marg. The rules for naam diksha r >>>> Must recite the Diksha-Mantra. >>>> Must recite the sacred writings such as Sodas-Granthas, Shri Sarvottama-Stotra, Shri Purusottama- Sahasranam- Stotra etc. of Shri Vallabhacharya and of other Acharyas of the sect >>>> Must study deeply all works from, preferably, one's own Guru or from any other learned followers >>>> Must study Shri Bhagavat-Purana, in order to attain comprehensive knowledge of Bhagavan Shri Krishna >>>> Must study the literature regarding the life of the disciples of Shri Vallabhacharya and ShriVitthalanathaji, known as “84 Vaishnava-Varta” and “252 Vaisna-Varta”. And in addition to this >>>> Must stop all those practices like worship of other gods & goddesses etc. which goes against the principle and the object of Pushti-Marga

What is the meaning of "SEVA" done without a Brahmsamand? Or is it even called "SEVA" without a Brahmsamand?

Taking an example here. There is 1 dokari (old lady) who had her son, who is stayig far away in Foreign country. And this lady used to serve her son when he was in india, with what ever good things he liked. But now her son is at a far distance to foreign country, so she satisfies herself by offering food to his photograph and says " beta do eat this food". Now we can judge ourselves that a photograph can feed luakik balak who is a far distance . No will never be satisfied. Similarly Shrithakurji without pushted by swagurucharan will not have the purushottam bhaav. And it's license is to have the brahmasambandh diksha. Edited by - gopal on May 03 2005 15:37:10


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gopal
Pushtikul Elite Member - August 2003


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Posted - 07 May 2005 :  10:20:54
Jai Jai ShriGokulesh, Welcome ShriGokulesh -- Bhavin to pushtikul online satsang.

Jai Jai ShriGokulesh Parivaar, Baroda

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